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Post by fanuidhol on Aug 21, 2014 7:28:21 GMT -6
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Post by Stormrider on Aug 21, 2014 11:57:07 GMT -6
That is ominous! It sounds like these may not have been approved by the Tolkien family, which could put a hold on them. It would be nice to have a biography of Tolkien's life and works. |
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Post by Andorinha on Aug 21, 2014 21:49:12 GMT -6
Thanks Fan, yeah they do sound interesting. Are these movie house movies or TV? "Fox Searchlight" sounds like TV format, but I could not tell if both are TV?
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Post by fanuidhol on Aug 22, 2014 7:55:24 GMT -6
When I read about the psychotic visions, I thought of Tolkien's reoccurring wave dream. I haven't checked any biographies or Letters to see if this speculation might be correct.
I figure that they might hype up certain aspects...I just hope that if they actually get made, we'll recognize him as the Tolkien we know.
Just read on Wikipedia that "Fox Searchlight" is the subsidiary for independent and British films. "Twelve Years a Slave" is one of their films. That is promising...
Fan
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Post by Andorinha on Aug 22, 2014 10:39:46 GMT -6
Hmmm, the operant "psychotic" is the peculiar thing here. The "wave dream" as presented in all that I have read about it, seems hardly psychotic, wonder if they have found some scraps elsewhere concerning some other dream?
I did find a curious, perhaps "pap-psycho-babble" account that may be germane to this issue? The basic problem being that JRRT is no longer available for real, in-depth psycho-analysis, even if one accepts that "science" as having some validity. So it is very easy to force the "evidence" into just the posture the analyst wants, regardless of the "truth?"
notionclubpapers.blogspot.com/2009/11/personality-of-jrr-tolkien-classic.html
"In surveying the Notion Club Papers in particular, but in the context of everything I have read by and about JRR Tolkien, I would regard him as a classic creative Genius: with a very high IQ and moderately high Psychoticism."
"However, I would argue that Tolkien also showed signs of moderately high Psychoticism such as a tendency towards experiencing altered states of consciousness, and moderately low levels of self-discipline and conscientiousness as evidenced by his truly amazing lack of ability to finish projects in which he was not very interested - such as the Clarendon textbook about Chaucer…"
"In other words there is a consistent pattern throughout Tolkien's life of very high achievement when doing things that he loved, combined with a near-inability to do things which he did not love."
LOL -- well I guess this bit is applicable to everyone? Gosh, I must be extremely psychotic, I always find it easier to go climbing than to clean up the study...
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Post by fanuidhol on Aug 22, 2014 11:04:02 GMT -6
Did a google search with the terms psychotic vision and Tolkien and came up with this pretty neat piece .....after wading through countless repeats of the article I linked to above. notionclubpapers.blogspot.com/2009/11/personality-of-jrr-tolkien-classic.htmlNow thinking of "Leaf by Niggle" as the psychotic vision the journalist was talking about. Fan PS: LOL. I apparently posted right after you! |
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Post by Andorinha on Aug 22, 2014 11:08:25 GMT -6
LOL looks like Fan and I found the same line of analysis at nearly the same time!
Yeah "Leaf by Niggle," would better fit the "psycho-approach" here.
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Post by fanuidhol on Aug 22, 2014 11:10:22 GMT -6
LOL looks like Fan and I found the same line of analysis at nearly the same time!
Yeah "Leaf by Niggle," would better fit the "psycho-approach" here. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Even posted that each other found it, at the same time! |
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Post by Stormrider on Aug 22, 2014 11:58:30 GMT -6
Well, Tolkien worked hard on his epic LOTR story, but as to how quickly he did it, well . . . how many revisions did he do and how many years until he felt it was ready for publication? I don't know that it should be classified as psychotic, but I would say he was more a perfectionist, wanting every little detail right . . . and even then after publishing, there were changes.
I don't blame him for procrastinating on those things he didn't like to do! I'm the same way! Yes, fun things first, then work.
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