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Post by Andorinha on Feb 3, 2006 12:31:09 GMT -6
Vanye, thank you for undertaking these calendric studies. I never paid much attention to Tolkien's adaptations of the yearly cycle. To keep things easy for himself he could have assumed that Middle-earth had a perfect year of 360 days with no spare hours, minutes or even seconds. But, seeing Middle-earth as the early stage of our own world did tie him to the same rotational period we now have. So, it kind of set me back when I read that Bilbo's "going away" feast (held on his birthday, fell on a Thursday (FotR, p. 50) as did Frodo's last birthday feast in Bag End (FotR, p. 102). But it makes perfect sense the way you explained it:
"The days of the week fall on the same dates every year because leap day & a few other 'extra' days are inserted in diferent places throughout the year in order to use all the days since 12x30=360, but it does not change the order of the names of the weekdays."
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Post by Andorinha on Oct 28, 2011 13:50:09 GMT -6
Been a long time since reviewing this calendric material, very helpful stuff! Thanks again!
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Post by Stormrider on Jul 14, 2016 5:56:39 GMT -6
I was looking for a Dwarf Calendar reference and I don't see any at any of the Tolkien Dictionary or forum sites or Wikipedia. They all say the only reference to anything date-wise for Dwarves is their New Year, Durin's Day which is the last moon of the Autumn on the threshold of Winter. So if I had to reference a calendar, would Dwarves be more comfortable using The Shire (or Bree) calendar or Numenorien calendar?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-earth_calendar#Calendar_of_Imladris
Dwolki is going to be doing a RP with his Blue Mountains Regiment on Laurelin tonight and I am giving him an age of 99 years with his centennial birthday coming up soon. I didn't want to use Durin's Day but an actual month and day.
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Post by fanuidhol on Jul 14, 2016 7:55:23 GMT -6
Perhaps, if you check which mountains he came from that might help you decide which calendar to use being nearby neighbors of different races: Dwarf Nationalities of the Blue Mountains - Your home is in Ered Luin, the Blue Mountains, where there had once been two great dwarf-kingdoms and where the kinsmen of Thráin and his son Thorin Oakenshield lived in exile after Smaug drove them from the Lonely Mountain. of the Iron Hills - You come from the Iron Hills, settled by dwarves as a refuge from the Cold-drakes, and whence came Dáin Ironfoot, King under the Mountain, kinsman of the great Thorin Oakenshield. of the Lonely Mountain - You hail from Erebor, the Lonely Mountain, where Smaug the Golden made his Lair until Thorin Oakenshield reclaimed it for his people. There does Dáin Ironfoot now rule as King under the Mountain. of the Grey Mountains - You are from Ered Mithrin, the Grey Mountains, the chief of which is Mount Gundabad, from whence came Durin the Deathless, first Father of the Dwarves. Your kindred returned to the Mountains after the Dragons perished. of the White Mountains - You are from the southwestern halls of Ered Nimrais, the White Mountains in the south bordering the lands of Andrast. Though your kingdom lies far from the central mountains where Men once dwelt, the rumor of the Oathbreakers has given your realm an ill name. lotro-wiki.com/index.php/DwarfOr, you could give him a date based on Durin's Day such as: 20 days past Durin's day, 3 moon cycles and some days before Durin's Day. Or, using the same phrasing as seen in the Hobbit for Durin's Day - "first day of the last moon of Autumn on the threshold of Winter" could become for example: the 2nd day of the last moon in Spring on the threshold of Summer.
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Post by Stormrider on Jul 14, 2016 10:03:48 GMT -6
Ah! Good idea, Fan! Dwolki is from the Grey Mountains, north of Mirkwood and Erebor. I couldn't say that region would associate with The Shire at all nor even Numenorians. I think it would be best to say something along the lines of: 20 days past Durin's day, 3 moon cycles and some days before Durin's Day, or as you suggested: "the 2nd day of the last moon in Spring on the threshold of Summer"
Dwolki is 99 years old (that is slightly over a third of a dwarf's life span 250 div. by 3 = 83.3333) he is still pretty young. I created him with grey hair--I should change the color and add more dark to it. I thought 99 would be older but not too old! But at 99, he is still quite youthful (about 28-30 as we go by age). I had wanted him to be approaching his centennial birthday. I did not want to make him as old as 199 and looking forward to his bi-centennial birthday. But his personality is sociable, happy go-lucky, boisterous, likes to joke and play pranks on people, so he is more youthful after all. Well, he will visit the barber and get his hair dyed.
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Post by Stormrider on Dec 20, 2021 14:57:45 GMT -6
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