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Post by Desi Baggins on Feb 13, 2005 19:24:52 GMT -6
The Arkenstone seems to effect everyone differently. It leaves Thorin obsessed and greedy, but Bilbo is able to hand it over so easily. Bilbo saw how the stone effected Thorin so how did he think Bard would be able to give it up as a bargaining tool?
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Post by Desi Baggins on Feb 22, 2005 17:50:29 GMT -6
What would have happened if Bard would have just kept the Arkenstone and the men and elves would have pulled out of camp that night? Thorin probably would have thought that the threat of Dain's company scared them off. So he would have spent and eternity searching for that Arkenstone! Sort of like Gollum or Sauron searching for the Ring...
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Post by Stormrider on Mar 15, 2005 0:04:11 GMT -6
Bilbo has grown so much during his adventures with the dwarves. He seems to be able to judge people well.
When Bard spoke to Thorin and requested recompense for the damage that Smaug did to Lake Town when he fell on it, Bilbo felt that Bard was just in asking for that. Bilbo agreed that Bard did the dwarves a great favor by killing Smaug.
After being with the dwarves all this time, Bilbo was able to see how Thorin was and knew he would be hardened and stubborn.
Bard was the rightful heir of Dale and had asked only for fair compensation. He was not asking for the entire hoard.
I think Bilbo chose the right person to give the Arkenstone to and knew that Bard would use it as a bartering tool only. I don't think there was ever any doubt in Bilbo's mind that Bard would run off with it!
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Post by MajahTR on Mar 16, 2005 10:47:21 GMT -6
i was wondering if the Arkenstone (as wonderous as it was) really meant more to Thorin as a talisman or birthright or something like that, that is why the desire to regain it was so powerful? it WAS like his Ring?
and the Bard had his own desires which called him to try to regain his people's rightful treasures. so he only saw the stone as a way to get them back.
and Bilbo...hmmmmm maybe he was already preoccupied with his Ring to feel the stone's full pull?
maybe i should go away and stop speculating eh? ;D
Majah
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Post by Desi Baggins on Mar 17, 2005 8:11:58 GMT -6
From what we find out in LotR I am sure the Ring is already working on Bilbo!
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Post by MajahTR on Mar 18, 2005 23:20:15 GMT -6
but we don't know that yet as the Hobbit story is unfolding, right?
M
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Post by Desi Baggins on Mar 20, 2005 20:29:59 GMT -6
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Post by Stormrider on Nov 4, 2012 20:01:39 GMT -6
i was wondering if the Arkenstone (as wonderous as it was) really meant more to Thorin as a talisman or birthright or something like that, that is why the desire to regain it was so powerful? it WAS like his Ring?
and the Bard had his own desires which called him to try to regain his people's rightful treasures. so he only saw the stone as a way to get them back.
and Bilbo...hmmmmm maybe he was already preoccupied with his Ring to feel the stone's full pull?
maybe i should go away and stop speculating eh? ;D
Majah The bold is mine, but I think Majah's speculating is very perceptive! |
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