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Post by Desi Baggins on Apr 29, 2005 19:37:56 GMT -6
In this chapter it states that Bilbo's coat of mail was arranged on a stand in the hall (until he lent it to a Museum).
The coat of mail that is refered to is the mithril coat right? If so didn't Bilbo keep this till Rivendell where he gave it to Frodo...is this a little oops in the merging of stories?
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Post by Stormrider on May 8, 2005 6:03:09 GMT -6
Hmmm.....the only coat of mail that I know Bilbo had was his mithril shirt. It does sound like an oversight on JRRT's part in combining The Hobbit with the LOTR tale.
But.....Perhaps Bilbo lent it to the museum with the stipulation that he could ask for it back whenever he wanted it. Then that would give him the opportunity to get it from the museum and take it with him to Rivendel when he planned his 111th birthday surprise disappearance. Then he would have it with him to give to Frodo when he arrived in Rivendel
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Post by Magpie on May 8, 2005 9:23:01 GMT -6
From Book 1, Prologue, 4-Of the Finding of the Ring
From Book 2, Chapter 3, The Ring Goes South
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Post by Desi Baggins on May 9, 2005 6:38:14 GMT -6
Then that explains it!!!
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Post by Stormrider on May 9, 2005 16:32:41 GMT -6
Magpie:
Thanks for verifying my supposition with hard facts! Now that you quoted those passages, I do seem to remember having read them!
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Post by Magpie on May 9, 2005 22:08:19 GMT -6
Hope it didn't seem curt to just post the quotes. I was playing hooky from school and I was pretty sure I could find the quotes quickly but was trying to do it all in 3 minutes or less.
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Post by Andorinha on Aug 16, 2006 5:19:25 GMT -6
Bilbo was enormously lucky...
Another coat-of-mail made by the Dwarfs of William Morris was likewise compounded of a substance that was light, grey-silver, and absolutely impenetrable. Tolkien who read Morris, may have gotten the idea of a near-magical hauberk from this source. But, in Morris' The House of the Wolfings, the mail coat came with a curse -- whoever wore it would not be harmed however fierce the battle, but he would betray his own side. The coat of mail would cloud it's bearer's mind, leaving him incapable of action, incapable of rendering assistance to those he loved. In a way, I was just musing, Tolkien's One Ring, fills this same function -- it grants a certain level of protection and power to its bearer, but twists his mind so that he cannot render aid to his friends, and eventually It will compromise all their efforts, and finally encompass their destruction.
Luckily for Bilbo, his Dwarf-mail, did not carry any such curse, but later, in the LotR sequel, the once simple magic ring that Bilbo "won" from Gollum, did carry a very similar doom...
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Post by Stormrider on Dec 23, 2012 9:30:05 GMT -6
Andorinha: As you will see, in The Hobbit movie, The One Ring does give Bilbo the same hazy view that Frodo and Sam have when they put it on in the LOTR movies. I did not expect that and it is a good thing that PJ thought of it!
I think Bilbo was right to put his mithril shirt in Michel Devling on loan. I am surprised he did not include Sting as well. But I guess Sting was more of a personal friend to Bilbo than the shirt. I guess he kept his cloak and hood because they weren't all that spectacular for a museum anyway. The Ring he would never part with to put on loan to a museum! He needed it to hide from the S-B's! ;D
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