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Post by Desi Baggins on Nov 21, 2005 9:08:19 GMT -6
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Ben Bombadil
Orc
I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless-before the Dark Lord came from Outside.
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Post by Ben Bombadil on Nov 28, 2005 14:33:01 GMT -6
Thanks for posting the maps Desi...Why these maps are not in my version of Unfinished Tales, I do not know. My version shows the same map that is the Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy. These maps will make it easier for me to follow the footsteps of various characters within the UT.
A friend told me to buy and read the Silmarillion before I read Unfished Tales. Does anyone have any thoughts on this order? If not, I shall follow my friends advice starting 12/5/2005.
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Post by Stormrider on Nov 29, 2005 7:34:50 GMT -6
Hi Ben!
Welcome to Tolkien's Ring!
Actually, if you start reading The Silmarillion and look at the sections in Unfinished Tales you will be able to read a more detailed account of some of the events from The Sil in UT. So when you get to a chapter in The Sil (for instance, the tales of Tuor and then Túrin) you can read more in depth versions in UT. So take them side by side as you read!
If you would like a really good map book of Middle-earth, get Karen Wynn Fonstad's, The Atlas of Middle-earth. This book helped me visualize all the stories, especially in The Sil as I read through it.
I had the pleasure of meeting Ms Fonstad in Oct. 2004 at Marquette University in Milwaukee, WI at a Tolkien gathering of many knowledgeable people. I was glad I spoke to her and told her how much her book helped me visualize the lands. She autographed by book and I will treasure the experience since she passed away this year.
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Post by Desi Baggins on Nov 29, 2005 8:14:59 GMT -6
Having these maps has helped me in my reading of Unfinished Tales. I am still reading it, I keep reading a chapter and then reading a couple other books and then going back. I have not read the Sil yet and I am not sure I ever will attempt it. I also want to add that the Atlas of Middle-Earth is a great book of maps!
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Ben Bombadil
Orc
I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless-before the Dark Lord came from Outside.
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Post by Ben Bombadil on Nov 30, 2005 14:02:58 GMT -6
Read both at the same time?? You both must admit that this is kind of odd and it sounds a bit like research rather than entertainment.... But, when you truly enjoy something, I guess it’s all the same. Right?
I'll take your advice and attempt to read both books simultaneously. You both seem to hint that I might gain more insight (and enjoyment) by reading them in this fashion. And, just so you know, I'm gonna have to buy The Atlas of Middle-earth too! I checked out the reviews on it and I'm eager to see the book of maps!!
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Post by Magpie on Dec 1, 2005 0:33:42 GMT -6
Hi Ben.. occassional visitor here.
I was in a Sil-study where the 'leader' charted out how to combine UT and The Sil. I'll copy over her reading schedule if you might find it useful.
1. Sil: Ainulindale, Valequenta, and QS Ch 1.
2. Sil: QS Ch 2,3,4,5,6
3. Sil: QS Ch 7,8,9
4. Sil: QS Ch 10,11,12,13
5. Sil: QS Ch 14,15,16
6. Sil: QS Ch 17,18
7. Sil: QS Ch 19 and Ch 20: 1st paragraph
8. Catch Up Week
9. UT: Narn: The Childhood of Turin
Sil: QS Ch 20
UT: Narn: The Words of Hurin and Morgoth
UT: Narn: The Departure of Turin
10. UT: Narn: Turin in Doriath
UT: Narn: Turin Among the Outlaws
Sil: QS Ch 21: to...Beleg and he returned to them no more
UT: Narn: Mim the Dwarf
11. Sil: QS Ch 21: from Now when Beleg parted to rumour spoke only of the Black Sword of Nargothrond.
UT: Tuor: to and the stars shone white and cold
12. Sil: QS Ch 21: from In that time of respite to and never turned aside.
UT: Narn: The Return of Turin to Dor-lomin
UT: Narn: The Coming of Turin into Brethil
UT: Narn: The Journey of Morwen and Nienor to Nargothrond
UT: Narn: Nienor in Brethil
13. UT: Narn: The Coming of Glaurung
UT: Narn: Death of Glaurung
UT: Narn: Death of Turin
UT: Tuor: from Soon after Tuor and Voronwe arose to lead me still on.
14. Sil: QS Ch 21: from At last worn by haste to the end of the chapter
UT: Narn: Appendix
Sil: QS Ch 22
15. UT: Tuor: from Many miles they toiled to the end of the chapter
Sil: QS Ch 23 and 24
This is not all of the Sil. The study ended in mid stream. But it was a lot of work for her to match up the two books so why not enjoy the effort.
For what it's worth.... I loved LOTR (obsessively) but struggled with The Silmarillion. It's just a different kind of story and all the things I loved about LOTR are not in The Sil (i.e. character development). But UT... wow, there's some great stuff in there.
Now that I've spent some time studying the Sil (reading Flieger and Kocher, for example) I can appreciate the Sil more. I will continue to study it (I'm reading Kocher right now) and even though it wasn't a 'great' read in the style of LOTR, I'm glad I read it. I think one can enjoy LOTR just fine without ever reading any of the other material, however. It really is just a matter of interest and taste.
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Post by Stormrider on Dec 1, 2005 7:52:09 GMT -6
I agree with Magpie--The Sil is difficult to read! The style is much more difficult than Hobbit and LOTR. I enjoyed UT a lot more than The Sil, too.
The outline Magpie gave looks like it should help you out in reading both together. It should get you started and in the flow of doing it.
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