Post by Andorinha on Jan 14, 2009 17:48:06 GMT -6
AdvOf TB ARCHIVE: The Hoard
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Message 1 of 4 in Discussion From: MSN NicknameIarwainBen-adar1
Sent: 9/7/2002 3:09 PM
This is the next to last poem in our study, and it contains a great message. I was going to let you the readers find the message for yourselves, but after reviewing the poem I asked my self: "what is the point of having a great message, wealth, jewel, or store of goods if you don't share it!" Oops let the cat out of the bag! That's the message I get anyway.
Originally published under the title "Iumonna Gold Galdre Bewunden" (which I'll leave for quicker minds to translate) in Oxford Magazine and The Gryphon in 1937, "The Hoard" seems to be a peek at Tolkiens master work. Compare these qoutes skimmed from the "Silmarillion" Pages 26,27 "Of The Begining Days":
"Before it's western gate there was the green mound, Ezellohar,"
"[Telepirion] and from each of his countless flowers a dew of silver light was ever falling"
"and the [gold] rain that fell from Laurelin Varda hoarded in great vats like shining lakes, that were in all the land of Valar as wells of water"
It seems almost that he is speaking of Valanor, and perhaps "Ere before pit was dug or Hell yawned" might refer to Utumno, Melkors stronghold. Tolkien also uses the term "Elvenhome" within the poem which is not used in anyother of the poems except "The Last Ship".
The poem consists of five paragraphs or mini-histories centered around an unused treasure. When I first read this years ago I thought it concerned Bilbo's adventure, with the Dwarf and Dragon section. I don't feel that way now. I wonder though if this poem was influenced by "The Hobbit" having been published earlier that same year.
From the "Preface" perspective I am inclined to think Bilbo would have had to be the author. The poem contains snatches of histories that only the Elves would know, and you might assume Bilbo picked it up in Rivendel and felt it important enough to be included in the "Red Book".
I had put this poem second to last as I felt it was one of the best examples of an earlier view of Middle Earth. I will go so far as to consider this piece and the Bombadil pieces having the most continuity to the Preface. Tolkien took a chance the "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil" he laid it all out, and hoped/ thought no one would look close enough to see the man bhind the curtain. So we travellers have had a peek at the man now, so now how do you feel about his work? I have to thank Karo and DaleAnn for their academics concerning "The Sea-Bell", "Frodo's Dreme", or "Looney" if you please. I had blinded myself with rose colored Hobbit shades and was trying to connect everything to a blissful happy land. Instead I had my conceptions shattered and my glasses removed, it was at that moment I saw the "man behind the curtain". It was for me shocking and as I am having a personal RL issue it caused me to connect the two and I weeped for Father and Tolkien because I felt the isolation of life ebbing away. So having said that (yeah I'm a wimp) I am going to allow someone else to finish with "The Last Ship" as it contains elements which are too close for me to deal with objectively right now. I had this completed 9/7/02 at about 02:00 am, and it suddenly slipped into limbo never to be seen again so this is a re-typed and revised version. At 02:05 while trying in vain to recover my work, my phone rang. My father went to his rest at 02:02 and I want to dedicate this one to him.
Namárië my dear friends,
Iarwain
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Message 2 of 4 in Discussion From: Karo6
Sent: 9/7/2002 3:52 PM
I need to express myself here, friend Iarwain, but really lack the right words. All of us who know you, will be able to judge the high value of your father's life simply by considering the kind of son he produced. Our deepest, warmest thoughts of concern and support are with you, and all those touched directly by this loss. Thank you for being YOU!
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Message 3 of 4 in Discussion From: Merlin the mad
Sent: 9/8/2002 1:38 PM
"Tom:"
I presume from your choice of words "went to his rest" that perhaps your father's passing was not entirely undesireable. Was he ill, or aged so that entering the next realm was wished for him, to release him from misery? I don't mean to ask probing questions and don't expect answers. Having seen my own father grow rapidly older before my eyes, I thank God each time I reflect upon what might be: and I am glad he is still in possession of his health and mind. To lose my Dad will be very hard for me. But if he ever gets to that condition when death will bring blessed release, then I will want him to go as quickly as possible. I hope remembering your father brings him close to you, and may remembering make your heart grow fonder.
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Message 4 of 4 in Discussion From: sparrow
Sent: 9/9/2002 5:54 AM
Considering this poem, The Hoard, with the death of Iarwain's father fresh on my mind emphasizes for me the meaninglessness of preoccupation with material things. Following his adventures in the Hobbit, Bilbo cherished the friendships he had gained with Gandalf, the elves and the dwarves over the recovered treasure. Likewise, may each of us cherish the relationships we are privileged to enjoy throughout our lifetimes.
Iarwain, my sincerest condolences on the passing of your father. Though his rest may be blessed, I can only imagine the hole that is left in your life. May God be with you and your family.
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Message 1 of 4 in Discussion From: MSN NicknameIarwainBen-adar1
Sent: 9/7/2002 3:09 PM
This is the next to last poem in our study, and it contains a great message. I was going to let you the readers find the message for yourselves, but after reviewing the poem I asked my self: "what is the point of having a great message, wealth, jewel, or store of goods if you don't share it!" Oops let the cat out of the bag! That's the message I get anyway.
Originally published under the title "Iumonna Gold Galdre Bewunden" (which I'll leave for quicker minds to translate) in Oxford Magazine and The Gryphon in 1937, "The Hoard" seems to be a peek at Tolkiens master work. Compare these qoutes skimmed from the "Silmarillion" Pages 26,27 "Of The Begining Days":
"Before it's western gate there was the green mound, Ezellohar,"
"[Telepirion] and from each of his countless flowers a dew of silver light was ever falling"
"and the [gold] rain that fell from Laurelin Varda hoarded in great vats like shining lakes, that were in all the land of Valar as wells of water"
It seems almost that he is speaking of Valanor, and perhaps "Ere before pit was dug or Hell yawned" might refer to Utumno, Melkors stronghold. Tolkien also uses the term "Elvenhome" within the poem which is not used in anyother of the poems except "The Last Ship".
The poem consists of five paragraphs or mini-histories centered around an unused treasure. When I first read this years ago I thought it concerned Bilbo's adventure, with the Dwarf and Dragon section. I don't feel that way now. I wonder though if this poem was influenced by "The Hobbit" having been published earlier that same year.
From the "Preface" perspective I am inclined to think Bilbo would have had to be the author. The poem contains snatches of histories that only the Elves would know, and you might assume Bilbo picked it up in Rivendel and felt it important enough to be included in the "Red Book".
I had put this poem second to last as I felt it was one of the best examples of an earlier view of Middle Earth. I will go so far as to consider this piece and the Bombadil pieces having the most continuity to the Preface. Tolkien took a chance the "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil" he laid it all out, and hoped/ thought no one would look close enough to see the man bhind the curtain. So we travellers have had a peek at the man now, so now how do you feel about his work? I have to thank Karo and DaleAnn for their academics concerning "The Sea-Bell", "Frodo's Dreme", or "Looney" if you please. I had blinded myself with rose colored Hobbit shades and was trying to connect everything to a blissful happy land. Instead I had my conceptions shattered and my glasses removed, it was at that moment I saw the "man behind the curtain". It was for me shocking and as I am having a personal RL issue it caused me to connect the two and I weeped for Father and Tolkien because I felt the isolation of life ebbing away. So having said that (yeah I'm a wimp) I am going to allow someone else to finish with "The Last Ship" as it contains elements which are too close for me to deal with objectively right now. I had this completed 9/7/02 at about 02:00 am, and it suddenly slipped into limbo never to be seen again so this is a re-typed and revised version. At 02:05 while trying in vain to recover my work, my phone rang. My father went to his rest at 02:02 and I want to dedicate this one to him.
Namárië my dear friends,
Iarwain
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Message 2 of 4 in Discussion From: Karo6
Sent: 9/7/2002 3:52 PM
I need to express myself here, friend Iarwain, but really lack the right words. All of us who know you, will be able to judge the high value of your father's life simply by considering the kind of son he produced. Our deepest, warmest thoughts of concern and support are with you, and all those touched directly by this loss. Thank you for being YOU!
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Message 3 of 4 in Discussion From: Merlin the mad
Sent: 9/8/2002 1:38 PM
"Tom:"
I presume from your choice of words "went to his rest" that perhaps your father's passing was not entirely undesireable. Was he ill, or aged so that entering the next realm was wished for him, to release him from misery? I don't mean to ask probing questions and don't expect answers. Having seen my own father grow rapidly older before my eyes, I thank God each time I reflect upon what might be: and I am glad he is still in possession of his health and mind. To lose my Dad will be very hard for me. But if he ever gets to that condition when death will bring blessed release, then I will want him to go as quickly as possible. I hope remembering your father brings him close to you, and may remembering make your heart grow fonder.
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Message 4 of 4 in Discussion From: sparrow
Sent: 9/9/2002 5:54 AM
Considering this poem, The Hoard, with the death of Iarwain's father fresh on my mind emphasizes for me the meaninglessness of preoccupation with material things. Following his adventures in the Hobbit, Bilbo cherished the friendships he had gained with Gandalf, the elves and the dwarves over the recovered treasure. Likewise, may each of us cherish the relationships we are privileged to enjoy throughout our lifetimes.
Iarwain, my sincerest condolences on the passing of your father. Though his rest may be blessed, I can only imagine the hole that is left in your life. May God be with you and your family.