Post by Stormrider on Jan 20, 2009 7:06:25 GMT -6
From: AnnieofTR (Original Message) Sent: 6/22/2003 9:37 AM
How the Mighty has Fallen
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The picture entitled "Death of Saruman" by Joan Wyatt was lost.
Wk13, BK6, Ch 8, DISCUSSION: Saruman’s End
All his people called him Sharkey in Isengard, "a sign of affection possibly," says Saruman. Why do you think they called him Sharkey?
"Still I have already done much that you will find hard to unmend or undo in your lives. And it will be pleasant to think of that and set it against my injuries." What has Saruman done that he feels will be hard to mend? What injuries does Saruman feel have been committed against him?
Later, Saruman addresses Frodo, "You have grown, Halfling . . . You are wise, and cruel. You have robbed my revenge of sweetness, and now I must go hence in bitterness, in debt to your mercy. I hate it and you! ...Do not expect me to wish you health and long life. You will have neither. But that is not my doing. I merely foretell." How has Saruman been robbed of his revenge? Have we already seen hints of what Saruman foretells for Frodo? Whose doing is it that Frodo may not have health and long life?
Do you think it a fitting end that Saruman was not killed by the hobbits but by his servant, Wormtongue? If Saruman had been killed by the Hobbits, what would he have gained? Is his death necessary to the scouring of the Shire? Why or why not?
". . . about the body of Saruman a grey mist gathered, and rising slowly to a great height like smoke from a fire, as a pale shrouded figure it loomed over the hill . . . " My first thought was of Sauron for he too evaporated into a mist, shaped liked fingers grasping or reaching out for something. When these beings die, they (the Nazgul, Sauron, the Witchking, Saruman) seem to dissipate. How do you understand what happens to them?
But what follows really made me stop. "For a moment it wavered, looking to the West; but out of the West came a cold wind, and it bent away, and with a sigh dissolved into nothing." (Boldface is mine) Why would his spirit look to the West? Was he, in the last moment, wanting to return home? Had he, in that moment, realized just what he had lost? Or was it only a gesture of disdain? Whatever it was, a cold wind from the West turned it away. Is anyone else as curious about this as I am?
How the Mighty has Fallen
Copyright Inger Edelfeldt. All Rights Reserved
The picture entitled "Death of Saruman" by Joan Wyatt was lost.
Wk13, BK6, Ch 8, DISCUSSION: Saruman’s End
All his people called him Sharkey in Isengard, "a sign of affection possibly," says Saruman. Why do you think they called him Sharkey?
"Still I have already done much that you will find hard to unmend or undo in your lives. And it will be pleasant to think of that and set it against my injuries." What has Saruman done that he feels will be hard to mend? What injuries does Saruman feel have been committed against him?
Later, Saruman addresses Frodo, "You have grown, Halfling . . . You are wise, and cruel. You have robbed my revenge of sweetness, and now I must go hence in bitterness, in debt to your mercy. I hate it and you! ...Do not expect me to wish you health and long life. You will have neither. But that is not my doing. I merely foretell." How has Saruman been robbed of his revenge? Have we already seen hints of what Saruman foretells for Frodo? Whose doing is it that Frodo may not have health and long life?
Do you think it a fitting end that Saruman was not killed by the hobbits but by his servant, Wormtongue? If Saruman had been killed by the Hobbits, what would he have gained? Is his death necessary to the scouring of the Shire? Why or why not?
". . . about the body of Saruman a grey mist gathered, and rising slowly to a great height like smoke from a fire, as a pale shrouded figure it loomed over the hill . . . " My first thought was of Sauron for he too evaporated into a mist, shaped liked fingers grasping or reaching out for something. When these beings die, they (the Nazgul, Sauron, the Witchking, Saruman) seem to dissipate. How do you understand what happens to them?
But what follows really made me stop. "For a moment it wavered, looking to the West; but out of the West came a cold wind, and it bent away, and with a sigh dissolved into nothing." (Boldface is mine) Why would his spirit look to the West? Was he, in the last moment, wanting to return home? Had he, in that moment, realized just what he had lost? Or was it only a gesture of disdain? Whatever it was, a cold wind from the West turned it away. Is anyone else as curious about this as I am?