Post by Stormrider on Jan 21, 2009 6:45:25 GMT -6
From: Lord_Algamesh (Original Message) Sent: 10/28/2002 9:29 AM
Treebeard states:
'For Ents are more like Elves: less interested in themselves than Men are, and better at getting inside of things. And yet again, Ents are more like Men, more changeable than Elves are, and quicker at taking the colour of the outside, you might say. Or better than both: for they are steadier and keep their minds on things longer.'
I can't say that I've seen evidence to support that the Ents are more adaptive than the Elves. Seems to me that they are presented in a very static manner with little change ever occuring in Ent society.
What are your thoughts on either or both comparisons. Do you thinks that Ents are 'better'? If so, why is their species so threatened? Do you think Darwin is rolling over in his grave at this comment?
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From: Alaere_Dûnhilien Sent: 10/29/2002 1:55 PM
To me the Ents didn't seem to have anything in common with Men, but with Elves there seem to be some similarities indeed: the care for nature is probably the most important common interest of the two races.
One thing that I thought was funny, was that Treebeard always said that the Hobbits were so hasty, and that they had to tell him everything, but not too quickly. It seems to be a quality of old age. Then of course, when you spend you days eternally watching the world go by, one day or two, or even one year, or even a century, do not matter that much.
But, when the Ents do "get roused", they sure know how to deal with problems.
Greetings,
Lara Bumbleroot of Haysend
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From: Questyn Sent: 11/1/2002 5:36 AM
Here's a guess at why Ents could be called "more changeable" despite what I agree seems a pretty static (to the point of dwindling... Does DaleAnn's study on "dwindle" has any connection with the Ents?):
From one not yet read any beyond The Hobbit & the trilogy, my understanding is that the elves tried to make Middle Earth like the wonderful place from which they were exiled...they didn't want to let it change & become something else. The Ents don't seem to have that characteristic. Iarwain's posts gave me this idea.
I personally enjoy the Ents very much, though on my first read they surprised me as being "silly" at first. Makes me want to look around for Ents gone "treeish"!
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From: sparrow Sent: 11/6/2002 12:56 PM
To me, Treebeard's statement seems somewhat contradictory, in that he says Ents are "more changeable" yet "steadier" than Elves.
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From: LovesBeren Sent: 12/29/2002 10:56 PM
Perhaps Treebeard is saying that Ents are like men because...
Men change their minds... Elves are closer to being "all knowing" and wiser so they don't have to change their minds. Ents likely don't see the future. Ents are not "Firstborn" and "set aside" as higher... or are they? --- Compared to all "plants" hmmmm... Ents can change their minds. Men can cloak themselves to been seen (at times...are proud)... Do trees... or ents...
Men (Ents) can get evil on their own when evil presses them.
Changeable - Musings...
LovesBeren (Sarah)
Treebeard states:
'For Ents are more like Elves: less interested in themselves than Men are, and better at getting inside of things. And yet again, Ents are more like Men, more changeable than Elves are, and quicker at taking the colour of the outside, you might say. Or better than both: for they are steadier and keep their minds on things longer.'
I can't say that I've seen evidence to support that the Ents are more adaptive than the Elves. Seems to me that they are presented in a very static manner with little change ever occuring in Ent society.
What are your thoughts on either or both comparisons. Do you thinks that Ents are 'better'? If so, why is their species so threatened? Do you think Darwin is rolling over in his grave at this comment?
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From: Alaere_Dûnhilien Sent: 10/29/2002 1:55 PM
To me the Ents didn't seem to have anything in common with Men, but with Elves there seem to be some similarities indeed: the care for nature is probably the most important common interest of the two races.
One thing that I thought was funny, was that Treebeard always said that the Hobbits were so hasty, and that they had to tell him everything, but not too quickly. It seems to be a quality of old age. Then of course, when you spend you days eternally watching the world go by, one day or two, or even one year, or even a century, do not matter that much.
But, when the Ents do "get roused", they sure know how to deal with problems.
Greetings,
Lara Bumbleroot of Haysend
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From: Questyn Sent: 11/1/2002 5:36 AM
Here's a guess at why Ents could be called "more changeable" despite what I agree seems a pretty static (to the point of dwindling... Does DaleAnn's study on "dwindle" has any connection with the Ents?):
From one not yet read any beyond The Hobbit & the trilogy, my understanding is that the elves tried to make Middle Earth like the wonderful place from which they were exiled...they didn't want to let it change & become something else. The Ents don't seem to have that characteristic. Iarwain's posts gave me this idea.
I personally enjoy the Ents very much, though on my first read they surprised me as being "silly" at first. Makes me want to look around for Ents gone "treeish"!
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From: sparrow Sent: 11/6/2002 12:56 PM
To me, Treebeard's statement seems somewhat contradictory, in that he says Ents are "more changeable" yet "steadier" than Elves.
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From: LovesBeren Sent: 12/29/2002 10:56 PM
Perhaps Treebeard is saying that Ents are like men because...
Men change their minds... Elves are closer to being "all knowing" and wiser so they don't have to change their minds. Ents likely don't see the future. Ents are not "Firstborn" and "set aside" as higher... or are they? --- Compared to all "plants" hmmmm... Ents can change their minds. Men can cloak themselves to been seen (at times...are proud)... Do trees... or ents...
Men (Ents) can get evil on their own when evil presses them.
Changeable - Musings...
LovesBeren (Sarah)