Post by Stormrider on Jan 21, 2009 6:57:24 GMT -6
From: Lord_Algamesh (Original Message) Sent: 10/28/2002 8:59 AM
Treebeard makes references to the "Lists", both old and new. Apparently, the "Lists" were created to record species of life in Middle-earth. An example would be:
Beaver the builder, buck the leaper,
Bear bee-hunter, boar the fighter;
Hound is hungry, hare is fearful ...
What is the origin of the "Lists"? Who created them and who is maintaining the "New Lists"? When I attempt to answer this question myself, I run into problems. The verse seems to be neither Entish or Elvish in form. This bit of ryhme seems "too hasty" for the Ents and it doesn't appear "regal" enough for Elvish. To me, the content seems Hobbit-ish, but, we know that is isn't it.
What do you think?
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From: Alaere_Dûnhilien Sent: 10/29/2002 1:59 PM
Maybe the one who created the Ents, put it in their minds. I think it was Yevanna the Valar who created them, but I have to look this up again in the Silmarillion. Of course, the music of the Valar is probable very complex, but couldn't it be sort of a shortened version? Maybe a Valar list is a simple rhyme.
Greetings,
Lara
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From: Storrmrider Sent: 10/29/2002 4:32 PM
I think this is a list compiled by the ancient history keepers of each kind of people. I recall reading that a certain person was in charge of learning and memorizing the history and facts of a tribe or clan or whatnot. It was then inhereted by each succeeding generation of the history keepers line.
This could have been what happened here. Not even the Hobbits are mentioned in the early ages as described in theSilmarillion. Perhaps the Hobbits slowly emerged from another people of Arda and quietly kept to themselves and were not noticed. So they were missed from the lists of the ancient historians.
I remember reading something on Hobbits on one of the other boards (Entities perhaps?) that described the evolution of the Hobbits. But I can't remember all of the details. Looks like time to go brousing the boards again!
Stormrider
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From: LovesBeren Sent: 11/18/2002 10:58 PM
Since no one has come up with a "fitting" response... I'll put my 2 cents...
30 days has September, April, June and November...
All the rest have 31
Except for February which has 28 (with exceptions)
"Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally" - Order of operations Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication, Division, Addition, Subtraction, (reading left to right)
Confuse your "b" and "d" ...think of the word bed --- it looks like a bed. - for the dyslexics of the world.
We teach our children mnemonics and rhymes to help them remember import facts... I know all of you have such devices... List 'em
...Did I get my point across? Who taught him this? Yavanna might have... my mom taught me mine. thanks mom!
Luthien (Sarah)
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From: Soleil Sent: 11/19/2002 8:30 AM
"...who is maintaining the "New Lists"? "
I agree with Luthien...we maintain the 'new lists'...we the parents, teachers, elders of our society. We teach them to the next generation so that learning is easier and 'forever' We all remember the nursery rhymes from childhood and those taught to remember facts through our school years. Luthien has mentioned some. I add:
the colours of the rainbow ..Roy G. Biv-- red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet
musical notes: face--the spaces, Every Good Boy Deserves Fun (Fudge)
and then there are all the phonetic rules:
when two vowels go walking, the first does the talking
a silent 'e' makes the preceeding vowel say it's own name (aka...the bossy 'e')
etc
Soleil
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From: Alaere_Dûnhilien Sent: 11/20/2002 10:00 AM
Yes!! Luthien that must be it!! Why didn't I think of that? The answer was under my very nose. Good thinking!
Treebeard makes references to the "Lists", both old and new. Apparently, the "Lists" were created to record species of life in Middle-earth. An example would be:
Beaver the builder, buck the leaper,
Bear bee-hunter, boar the fighter;
Hound is hungry, hare is fearful ...
What is the origin of the "Lists"? Who created them and who is maintaining the "New Lists"? When I attempt to answer this question myself, I run into problems. The verse seems to be neither Entish or Elvish in form. This bit of ryhme seems "too hasty" for the Ents and it doesn't appear "regal" enough for Elvish. To me, the content seems Hobbit-ish, but, we know that is isn't it.
What do you think?
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From: Alaere_Dûnhilien Sent: 10/29/2002 1:59 PM
Maybe the one who created the Ents, put it in their minds. I think it was Yevanna the Valar who created them, but I have to look this up again in the Silmarillion. Of course, the music of the Valar is probable very complex, but couldn't it be sort of a shortened version? Maybe a Valar list is a simple rhyme.
Greetings,
Lara
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From: Storrmrider Sent: 10/29/2002 4:32 PM
I think this is a list compiled by the ancient history keepers of each kind of people. I recall reading that a certain person was in charge of learning and memorizing the history and facts of a tribe or clan or whatnot. It was then inhereted by each succeeding generation of the history keepers line.
This could have been what happened here. Not even the Hobbits are mentioned in the early ages as described in theSilmarillion. Perhaps the Hobbits slowly emerged from another people of Arda and quietly kept to themselves and were not noticed. So they were missed from the lists of the ancient historians.
I remember reading something on Hobbits on one of the other boards (Entities perhaps?) that described the evolution of the Hobbits. But I can't remember all of the details. Looks like time to go brousing the boards again!
Stormrider
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From: LovesBeren Sent: 11/18/2002 10:58 PM
Since no one has come up with a "fitting" response... I'll put my 2 cents...
30 days has September, April, June and November...
All the rest have 31
Except for February which has 28 (with exceptions)
"Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally" - Order of operations Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication, Division, Addition, Subtraction, (reading left to right)
Confuse your "b" and "d" ...think of the word bed --- it looks like a bed. - for the dyslexics of the world.
We teach our children mnemonics and rhymes to help them remember import facts... I know all of you have such devices... List 'em
...Did I get my point across? Who taught him this? Yavanna might have... my mom taught me mine. thanks mom!
Luthien (Sarah)
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From: Soleil Sent: 11/19/2002 8:30 AM
"...who is maintaining the "New Lists"? "
I agree with Luthien...we maintain the 'new lists'...we the parents, teachers, elders of our society. We teach them to the next generation so that learning is easier and 'forever' We all remember the nursery rhymes from childhood and those taught to remember facts through our school years. Luthien has mentioned some. I add:
the colours of the rainbow ..Roy G. Biv-- red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet
musical notes: face--the spaces, Every Good Boy Deserves Fun (Fudge)
and then there are all the phonetic rules:
when two vowels go walking, the first does the talking
a silent 'e' makes the preceeding vowel say it's own name (aka...the bossy 'e')
etc
Soleil
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From: Alaere_Dûnhilien Sent: 11/20/2002 10:00 AM
Yes!! Luthien that must be it!! Why didn't I think of that? The answer was under my very nose. Good thinking!