Post by Stormrider on Jan 23, 2009 7:18:26 GMT -6
From: Lord_Algamesh (Original Message) Sent: 11/29/2002 9:57 PM
Gandalf offers Saruman the chance to redeem his actions and come back to the "light". This offer is ultimately refused by Saruman. What are the various reasons that Saruman did not accept the pardon that was offered? Do you feel that the decision came close to being otherwise?
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From: Glorfindle Sent: 11/30/2002 6:02 AM
Good qualifies itself by offering evil a chance to repent. Evil asserts itself by denying the chance and re-asserting it's commitment to evil. It has always been such, in the true battle.
It seems most of mankind needs this clear delineation to function. Would that it were so easy.
Glor
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From: Alaere_Dûnhilien Sent: 11/30/2002 2:00 PM
Could it also be that Saruman just doesn't want to be second? He has become rather arrogant too, and I don't think he would like playing the second violin. Giving in to Gandalf, would mean that he no longer controls his own fate, while he thinks that he has is own fate in hand now. Of course, we know that with Sauron, there is no controlling your own fate, but I think that Saruman overestimates his abilities. Otherwise he would never have tried to complot against Sauron...
Lara
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From: patty Sent: 12/9/2002 1:20 PM
I have to agree with Lara the Saramun does not want to second in command. Saruman wanted to rule everything. He realizes that if comes out now and Sauron gians ultimate power he will be in BIG trouble for trying to cross him. Saruman is probablt afraid of what will happen to him if he does not stay hidden.
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From: Nosmada Sent: 12/10/2002 2:21 PM
I dont think theres anyway that Saruman could accept this pardon at this point. By now he is completely in the clutches of Sauron and I think that his decisions are probably not even his own anymore but are that of Sauron. He has given in to Sauron's power and is now dominated by his will.
Gandalf offers Saruman the chance to redeem his actions and come back to the "light". This offer is ultimately refused by Saruman. What are the various reasons that Saruman did not accept the pardon that was offered? Do you feel that the decision came close to being otherwise?
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From: Glorfindle Sent: 11/30/2002 6:02 AM
Good qualifies itself by offering evil a chance to repent. Evil asserts itself by denying the chance and re-asserting it's commitment to evil. It has always been such, in the true battle.
It seems most of mankind needs this clear delineation to function. Would that it were so easy.
Glor
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From: Alaere_Dûnhilien Sent: 11/30/2002 2:00 PM
Could it also be that Saruman just doesn't want to be second? He has become rather arrogant too, and I don't think he would like playing the second violin. Giving in to Gandalf, would mean that he no longer controls his own fate, while he thinks that he has is own fate in hand now. Of course, we know that with Sauron, there is no controlling your own fate, but I think that Saruman overestimates his abilities. Otherwise he would never have tried to complot against Sauron...
Lara
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From: patty Sent: 12/9/2002 1:20 PM
I have to agree with Lara the Saramun does not want to second in command. Saruman wanted to rule everything. He realizes that if comes out now and Sauron gians ultimate power he will be in BIG trouble for trying to cross him. Saruman is probablt afraid of what will happen to him if he does not stay hidden.
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From: Nosmada Sent: 12/10/2002 2:21 PM
I dont think theres anyway that Saruman could accept this pardon at this point. By now he is completely in the clutches of Sauron and I think that his decisions are probably not even his own anymore but are that of Sauron. He has given in to Sauron's power and is now dominated by his will.