Post by Stormrider on Jan 24, 2009 18:38:01 GMT -6
From: Lord_Algamesh (Original Message) Sent: 11/30/2002 8:58 PM
At the beginning of Book IV Chapter One: The Taming of Smeagol, we see just exactly how difficult it is for our Hobbits to navigate the Emyn Muil. Frodo and Sam have to retrace their steps many times and are hindered by obstacles and dead-ends at every turn. Much different than the journey made through the Old Forest in FOTR. If you recall, it was very easy to get into the heart of that evil place ... not the case here. I guess travelling to Mordor is an exception to the old adage: "Getting into jail is easy ... getting out? Now that's another matter!" I just find it very interesting that Frodo and Sam are faced by such hardship trying to get into a place that they don't really want to be. As an author, I might have been tempted to make this route much more easy ... adhering to certain principles that seem to occur in my everyday life ! Any comments? Anyone want to voice explanations on why the journey through the Old Forest is very different?
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From: Storrmrider Sent: 12/1/2002 1:28 PM
I believe it cannot be an easy route into Mordor because Sauron has made it so.
First of all, he does not want any spies getting into Mordor. Any Lord will protect his land, and those with evil intentions will allow for protection more so than most other Lords would find a need to.
Second, he knows that the only way to destroy the Ring is to cast it into the fire it was made in--even though he cannot believe that anyone would ever want to destroy it and that the current owner would take it and wield it himself instead.
As far as watching his land closely, I think he felt that he was doing a very good job of it and did not have to worry about trespassers. He felt he could concentrate on the other threats from outside the borders of Mordor.
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From: LovesBeren Sent: 12/30/2002 2:17 AM
I am wondering though... I think it would have been easy to get into Mordor... had they just openly went on the road and ran into Orcs... But that wasn't what they were trying to do. The were trying to get in secretly and they knew who to avoid.
They easily got to the middle of the Labyrinth of the Old Forest and were caught because Old Man Willow knew of their presence (and they did not of his cunning) .
The quest of getting into Mordor is something quite different then the Old Forest. Frodo and Sam know who it is that "runs" the place and they are trying to avoid him at all cost ...or until at least they can ditch the ring in the cracks of doom. So finding that secret way into "jail" is as hard as getting out. (and I'm sure they'll want a "get outta jail free card" when they get there for their efforts ...hmmm who or what might that be...if it be )
Musing again...
Luthien (Sarah)
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From: Alaere_Dûnhilien Sent: 12/30/2002 6:22 AM
Maybe another reason why it is so difficult to get into Mordor, is just their reluctance to go there. They know that they stand a very poor chance to get out alive, and in some psychological way, this could be influencing them, without their knowing. They must be afraid of what will await them there, and this could maybe "turn their feet into lead". When they were in the Old Forest, they were still somewhat optimistic, and they didn't really realize what would, or could, happen.
I don't think this is the main reason for their difficulties, but it could have something to do with it.
Alaere
At the beginning of Book IV Chapter One: The Taming of Smeagol, we see just exactly how difficult it is for our Hobbits to navigate the Emyn Muil. Frodo and Sam have to retrace their steps many times and are hindered by obstacles and dead-ends at every turn. Much different than the journey made through the Old Forest in FOTR. If you recall, it was very easy to get into the heart of that evil place ... not the case here. I guess travelling to Mordor is an exception to the old adage: "Getting into jail is easy ... getting out? Now that's another matter!" I just find it very interesting that Frodo and Sam are faced by such hardship trying to get into a place that they don't really want to be. As an author, I might have been tempted to make this route much more easy ... adhering to certain principles that seem to occur in my everyday life ! Any comments? Anyone want to voice explanations on why the journey through the Old Forest is very different?
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From: Storrmrider Sent: 12/1/2002 1:28 PM
I believe it cannot be an easy route into Mordor because Sauron has made it so.
First of all, he does not want any spies getting into Mordor. Any Lord will protect his land, and those with evil intentions will allow for protection more so than most other Lords would find a need to.
Second, he knows that the only way to destroy the Ring is to cast it into the fire it was made in--even though he cannot believe that anyone would ever want to destroy it and that the current owner would take it and wield it himself instead.
As far as watching his land closely, I think he felt that he was doing a very good job of it and did not have to worry about trespassers. He felt he could concentrate on the other threats from outside the borders of Mordor.
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From: LovesBeren Sent: 12/30/2002 2:17 AM
I am wondering though... I think it would have been easy to get into Mordor... had they just openly went on the road and ran into Orcs... But that wasn't what they were trying to do. The were trying to get in secretly and they knew who to avoid.
They easily got to the middle of the Labyrinth of the Old Forest and were caught because Old Man Willow knew of their presence (and they did not of his cunning) .
The quest of getting into Mordor is something quite different then the Old Forest. Frodo and Sam know who it is that "runs" the place and they are trying to avoid him at all cost ...or until at least they can ditch the ring in the cracks of doom. So finding that secret way into "jail" is as hard as getting out. (and I'm sure they'll want a "get outta jail free card" when they get there for their efforts ...hmmm who or what might that be...if it be )
Musing again...
Luthien (Sarah)
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From: Alaere_Dûnhilien Sent: 12/30/2002 6:22 AM
Maybe another reason why it is so difficult to get into Mordor, is just their reluctance to go there. They know that they stand a very poor chance to get out alive, and in some psychological way, this could be influencing them, without their knowing. They must be afraid of what will await them there, and this could maybe "turn their feet into lead". When they were in the Old Forest, they were still somewhat optimistic, and they didn't really realize what would, or could, happen.
I don't think this is the main reason for their difficulties, but it could have something to do with it.
Alaere