Post by Stormrider on Jan 25, 2009 10:27:26 GMT -6
From: Lord_Algamesh (Original Message) Sent: 3/3/2003 1:57 AM
During Week Six we are introduced to Faramir, younger brother of Boromir. Take a few moments to review the introduction of Boromir in FOTR: "The Council of Elrond" and then compare your first impressions of each. What are the similarities and differences of the siblings? Does Tolkien proficiently distinguish each through written dialogue?
As a side note, consider the following statement made by Boromir at the Council of Elrond:
"For on the eve of the sudden assault a dream came to my brother in a troubled sleep; and afterwards a like dream came oft to him again, and once to me ..."
You will notice that Boromir takes ownership of this foretelling and we think no more of Faramir until our current reading. Do you think that it is possible that Boromir is lying about experiencing this vision? Would there be purpose in this and if so, what? Is your trust in Boromir and his honor diminished now that you have met Faramir?
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From: Alaere_Dûnhilien Sent: 3/10/2003 10:23 AM
Boromir seems more eager to fight than Faramir, not meaning that Faramir is a coward (certainly not!), but I think that Faramir would try harder to reach a solution by negociating. I have thought about Boromir just being more eager regarding anything, Faramir is the calmer one of the two, the most thoughtful one. This could be a reason for Boromir falling for the power of the Ring more easily than his younger brother, the Ring, or Sauron if you will, abuses his eagerness, because both of them posess great honour, so why does Boromir give in so easily? He was under its grasp almost immediately, though he could fight it for a long while. Maybe it is just the knowledge, as soon as Boromir knew about the ring, he was tempted by it. Faramir on the other hand didn't know right away, and experienced Frodo and Sam before he knew anything about their quest. Maybe seeing their determination, and their fear, made it a bit easier for him to resist.
As for their differences, I think most of these are due to the fact that Boromir has been raised as next in line to be Steward, and Faramir not. The duties and responsibilities of being a Steward were known to Boromir, but probably not wholly to Faramir. I do think that Boromir did not ly about him having had the vision once. I don't see why he should ly about it, unless it was the Ring's influence already.
Anyway, my trust in Boromir is not diminished now I met Faramir ; Boromir's intention's were good, it was just the ring twisting them around. And, Boromir has been under its influence much longer than Faramir. The Ring had plenty of time to corrupt Boromir during their journey, but Faramir hasn't been near it for that long. Maybe he would have fallen for its power too, had he been in Frodo's company for months, like his brother.
Navaer,
Alaere
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From: Selmo Sent: 3/11/2003 6:13 AM
I don't think that Boromir would lie about receiving the same vision as Faramir.
I don't think that Boromir could ever lie convincingly. He was totally guileless, so open and straight-forward that any attempt to lie or to bluff would be clear for everyone to see in his face or his demeanour. He would make a very poor poker player.
He was also a practical, down-to-earth person who would think of dreams and visions as fanciful nonsense if he did not experience them himself.
The vision came first to Faramir, who's personality made him the most receptive of the leaders of Gondor. Faramir thought about it but did nothing, even after receiving the same vision many times. Whoever sent the dreams must have given up on their first choice and sent the dream to Boromir, who immediately persuaded his farther to allow him act.
Men of action, but little thought, can be useful sometimes.
Selmo.
During Week Six we are introduced to Faramir, younger brother of Boromir. Take a few moments to review the introduction of Boromir in FOTR: "The Council of Elrond" and then compare your first impressions of each. What are the similarities and differences of the siblings? Does Tolkien proficiently distinguish each through written dialogue?
As a side note, consider the following statement made by Boromir at the Council of Elrond:
"For on the eve of the sudden assault a dream came to my brother in a troubled sleep; and afterwards a like dream came oft to him again, and once to me ..."
You will notice that Boromir takes ownership of this foretelling and we think no more of Faramir until our current reading. Do you think that it is possible that Boromir is lying about experiencing this vision? Would there be purpose in this and if so, what? Is your trust in Boromir and his honor diminished now that you have met Faramir?
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From: Alaere_Dûnhilien Sent: 3/10/2003 10:23 AM
Boromir seems more eager to fight than Faramir, not meaning that Faramir is a coward (certainly not!), but I think that Faramir would try harder to reach a solution by negociating. I have thought about Boromir just being more eager regarding anything, Faramir is the calmer one of the two, the most thoughtful one. This could be a reason for Boromir falling for the power of the Ring more easily than his younger brother, the Ring, or Sauron if you will, abuses his eagerness, because both of them posess great honour, so why does Boromir give in so easily? He was under its grasp almost immediately, though he could fight it for a long while. Maybe it is just the knowledge, as soon as Boromir knew about the ring, he was tempted by it. Faramir on the other hand didn't know right away, and experienced Frodo and Sam before he knew anything about their quest. Maybe seeing their determination, and their fear, made it a bit easier for him to resist.
As for their differences, I think most of these are due to the fact that Boromir has been raised as next in line to be Steward, and Faramir not. The duties and responsibilities of being a Steward were known to Boromir, but probably not wholly to Faramir. I do think that Boromir did not ly about him having had the vision once. I don't see why he should ly about it, unless it was the Ring's influence already.
Anyway, my trust in Boromir is not diminished now I met Faramir ; Boromir's intention's were good, it was just the ring twisting them around. And, Boromir has been under its influence much longer than Faramir. The Ring had plenty of time to corrupt Boromir during their journey, but Faramir hasn't been near it for that long. Maybe he would have fallen for its power too, had he been in Frodo's company for months, like his brother.
Navaer,
Alaere
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From: Selmo Sent: 3/11/2003 6:13 AM
I don't think that Boromir would lie about receiving the same vision as Faramir.
I don't think that Boromir could ever lie convincingly. He was totally guileless, so open and straight-forward that any attempt to lie or to bluff would be clear for everyone to see in his face or his demeanour. He would make a very poor poker player.
He was also a practical, down-to-earth person who would think of dreams and visions as fanciful nonsense if he did not experience them himself.
The vision came first to Faramir, who's personality made him the most receptive of the leaders of Gondor. Faramir thought about it but did nothing, even after receiving the same vision many times. Whoever sent the dreams must have given up on their first choice and sent the dream to Boromir, who immediately persuaded his farther to allow him act.
Men of action, but little thought, can be useful sometimes.
Selmo.