Post by Andorinha on Mar 29, 2009 4:56:46 GMT -6
The Lossoth
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From: Batman
Sent: 9/10/2002 4:01 AM
"These are a strange, unfriendly people, remnant of the Forodwaith, Men of far-off days, accustomed to the bitter colds of the realm of Morgoth. Indeed those colds linger still in that region, though they lie hardly more than a hundred leagues north of the Shire. The Lossoth house in the snow, and it is said that they can run on the ice with bones on their feet, and have carts without wheels. They live mostly, inaccessible to their enemies, on the great Cape of Forochel that shuts off to the north-west the immense bay of that name, but they often camp on the south shores of the bay at the feet of the mountains."
They sound a lot like Eskimos to me and were very important in the history of ME as they helped Arvedui to survive and as reward, he gave the Lossoth his Ring of Power which, after a somewhat circuitous route, finished in the hands of Beren. This was indeed fortunate as Arvedui died at sea whilst atempting to return home (even though the Lossoth had warned him against the journey).
So, it makes me wonder why their part in the History of the Rings is often left out?
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From: Batman
Sent: 9/10/2002 6:10 AM
Of course, the beauty of research is that sometimes you get to prove yourself wrong.
The Lossoth were, of course, descendants of a tribe of Men and therefore not a different species. No more so than Eskimoes are to Africans. The ring of Arvedui was not a Ring of Power, but was, and I quote:-
Cormalaiqua -- The Ring of Barahir Description:
“(…) green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.”
Which of course sounds nothing like a Ring of Power. Sounds handsome enough though.
The Lossoth still intrigue me though. I can track them back to the Second Age, but I cannot seem to find them in the Fourth Age. Oh, well, keep looking.
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From: Zauber
Sent: 9/10/2002 6:59 AM
Good luck on your researches! I love it when someone has their attention caught by some obscure fact or information, and then bring it into focus for all of us here on the boards. I doff my cap to you!
Zauber
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From: MSN NicknameMissingGrahamCrackers
Sent: 9/10/2002 6:27 PM
The Lossoth were cast as a more barbaric kin of man in the tale of Arvedui. Imagine their original shock they got from seeing the final king of old Arnor. The Lossoth were not exactly the most fair of face and body and they were approached by one with pure numenorean blood in his veins. I am in awe at the contrasts.
I imagine with so fair and powerful a man he was, he easily gained the respect of the Lossoth. When Arvedui would was departing with the ship that Cirdan had sent from Lindon the Lossoth who had respected the king warned him of the harsh conditions of the cape. It is a shame that Arvedui didn't listen, because when the storm sunk his ship, the crown of Arnor and the stone of Amon Sul were lost forever in the ice...........
Tuor
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From: Batman
Sent: 9/10/2002 4:01 AM
"These are a strange, unfriendly people, remnant of the Forodwaith, Men of far-off days, accustomed to the bitter colds of the realm of Morgoth. Indeed those colds linger still in that region, though they lie hardly more than a hundred leagues north of the Shire. The Lossoth house in the snow, and it is said that they can run on the ice with bones on their feet, and have carts without wheels. They live mostly, inaccessible to their enemies, on the great Cape of Forochel that shuts off to the north-west the immense bay of that name, but they often camp on the south shores of the bay at the feet of the mountains."
They sound a lot like Eskimos to me and were very important in the history of ME as they helped Arvedui to survive and as reward, he gave the Lossoth his Ring of Power which, after a somewhat circuitous route, finished in the hands of Beren. This was indeed fortunate as Arvedui died at sea whilst atempting to return home (even though the Lossoth had warned him against the journey).
So, it makes me wonder why their part in the History of the Rings is often left out?
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From: Batman
Sent: 9/10/2002 6:10 AM
Of course, the beauty of research is that sometimes you get to prove yourself wrong.
The Lossoth were, of course, descendants of a tribe of Men and therefore not a different species. No more so than Eskimoes are to Africans. The ring of Arvedui was not a Ring of Power, but was, and I quote:-
Cormalaiqua -- The Ring of Barahir Description:
“(…) green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.”
Which of course sounds nothing like a Ring of Power. Sounds handsome enough though.
The Lossoth still intrigue me though. I can track them back to the Second Age, but I cannot seem to find them in the Fourth Age. Oh, well, keep looking.
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From: Zauber
Sent: 9/10/2002 6:59 AM
Good luck on your researches! I love it when someone has their attention caught by some obscure fact or information, and then bring it into focus for all of us here on the boards. I doff my cap to you!
Zauber
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From: MSN NicknameMissingGrahamCrackers
Sent: 9/10/2002 6:27 PM
The Lossoth were cast as a more barbaric kin of man in the tale of Arvedui. Imagine their original shock they got from seeing the final king of old Arnor. The Lossoth were not exactly the most fair of face and body and they were approached by one with pure numenorean blood in his veins. I am in awe at the contrasts.
I imagine with so fair and powerful a man he was, he easily gained the respect of the Lossoth. When Arvedui would was departing with the ship that Cirdan had sent from Lindon the Lossoth who had respected the king warned him of the harsh conditions of the cape. It is a shame that Arvedui didn't listen, because when the storm sunk his ship, the crown of Arnor and the stone of Amon Sul were lost forever in the ice...........
Tuor