The History of the Hobbit Feb 9, 2008 19:39:34 GMT -6
Post by fanuidhol on Feb 9, 2008 19:39:34 GMT -6
admin said:I have some information on the Tevildo/Thu/Sauron warp but I can't take time this morning to go into it. I'm taking my mother-in-law shopping and then we have a play later tonight. I may try to get back on here this afternoon if I have time. Hang in til I get back!
There may be some info on the timeline structuring in Shaping of Middle Earth...do you have that HoME book?
Thanks for this, Stormrider!
I took a look at Shaping of Middle-earth and found a number of interesting things.
One of the reasons Tolkien might have taken out the Beren/Tinuviel reference is because of the genealogy problem it created.
I hope everybody can understand my logic in the following senario. Remember Beren/Tinuviel could have only destroyed Thu's castle within the last 100 years.
In the chapter "The Earliest 'Silmarillion'" dated about 1926 - 1930, Elrond is already the son of Elwing, who is already the daughter of Dior, who is already the son of Beren/Tinuviel. On Elrond's dad's side, we have Earendel, son of Idril, daughter of Turgon. If Elrond was 20 - 38 at the time of the Hobbit and everybody had their babies when they were 20....
...Beren and Tinuviel could have destroyed Thu/Sauron's castle 81 - 99 years prior. But, Gondolin therefore had to have been destroyed only 39 -57 years prior to H, since Earendel was already born.
Considering all the turbulence that occurs after the destruction of Gondolin...I can see why Tolkien wanted to remove H to a more idyllic time. The easiest way to do this is remove the time constraints that the Beren/Tinuviel reference created.
Shaping of Middle-earth also, contains the first reference to The First Age that I've found in the "Earliest Annals of Valinor" chapter written earlier than the late 30's.
It looks like there is more great stuff in this book but, I have to call it a night.