Post by Andorinha on Jan 14, 2009 17:55:39 GMT -6
AdvOf TB ARCHIVE: The Man In The Moon Stayed Up Too Late
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Message 1 of 6 in Discussion From: MSN NicknameIarwainBen-adar1
Sent: 9/6/2002 11:40 PM
So since we covered "Down too Soon" regarding publishing dates and history we can assume that this is more or less a revised edition that was used in "TFotR." Again I've spent far to long trying to find a point when they truely became seperate enities but either as he worked on the "Trilogy", or when he was working on "Adventures" what I suspect to be one poem published in 1923 was revised so much that it became two at some point between 23' and 62'. One thing is for certain this particular piece came to public eye in 1954 with the pulishing of TFotR.
So did anyone compare the two versions from "Adventures" and "TFotR". Don't panic they are identical.
But from the TFoR Bilbo is given in more credit for this work with: "Then in desperation he began a ridiculous song that Bilbo had been rather fond of (and indeed rather proud of, for he made up the words himself.)"
I think I enjoy this one more than "Down too Soon" for a couple of reasons.
1. It displays a more magical world where dogs laugh at jokes, and cats play fiddles.
2. The people in this poem seem much more helpful and welcoming to the Man in the Moon than in the first one. In "Down too Soon" seems the poor Man in the Moon was almost disdaned as a begger, and for some reason it doesn't cause me to dislike the poem so much as I feel sorry for the Lunar visitor.
Must have been quite the show in the Pony that night to hear Frodo spin this yarn!
If any one can locate a definitive date for this version please post it, or contact me so I can follow up on it.
Namárië,
Iarwain
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Message 2 of 6 in Discussion From: MSN Nicknamefallohide
Sent: 9/13/2002 6:38 PM
Iarwain,
I really like this poem, its so funny and happy. Thanks for posting that history. It is nice to find out that Tolkien was happy when he wrote this. I always have that picture of Frodo atop a table at the prancing pony when I read this, but I'm glad it is published here as well, because it really goes along with the other poem. I agree that "came down to soon" is sad. Particularly because the Man in the moon was lonely in the poem, even though the moon was beutiful. Just an aside, Tolkien did some drawings of a lunar house, which seem to correspond to the Man's house in "came down too soon." Though, I believe they were drawn for "Roverdam."
I also like "Stayed Up too late" because it sound like it could be sung, its like a real song. Also, I always liked the nursury rhyme as a kid (I liked violins and cats) and it was great to find the "difinitive version" of the night's events in the Fellowship when I was a little older. Fallohide
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Sent: 9/15/2002 5:23 PM
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Message 4 of 6 in Discussion From: Stormrider
Sent: 9/15/2002 5:37 PM
I always enjoyed Hey Diddle Diddle as a child. However, "Stayed Up Too Late" is a drinking version of that old nursery rhyme and it is pretty humorous! You can picture all of the drinking buddies getting drunker as the night goes on. I remember reading it in FOTR and thinking it was a take-off of the old nursery rhyme and laughing at the new version of it!
In "Came Down Too Soon" it seems that his adventure is not so much fun...he is lonely and has nothing to do....he wanted the things on earth for his own enjoyment. He was wishing so much for this adventure that he fell into the bay and had to be pulled out by fishermen. In the morning, the streets were vacant and nothing exciting was going on. The cook let him in to the inn but instead of getting the meal he wanted he gets cold two day old porridge.
The Man in the Moon had much more fun in "Stayed Up Too Late!" to my way of thinking!
Stormrider
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Message 5 of 6 in Discussion From: DaleAnn
Sent: 9/19/2002 10:55 AM
Glorfindle told me to put this riddle here. I don't know why. I'm also giving the answer...so don't scroll down til you are out of guesses.
You found bones on the Moon --- What does that mean?
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The cow didn't make it. --- DA
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Message 6 of 6 in Discussion From: MSN NicknameIarwainBen-adar1
Sent: 9/19/2002 11:48 PM
I didn't moooove fast enough. Perhaps it was cowardly. I think I've udderly trashed this joke now DA, but I ROTF when I saw it.
Namárië,
Iarwain
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Message 1 of 6 in Discussion From: MSN NicknameIarwainBen-adar1
Sent: 9/6/2002 11:40 PM
So since we covered "Down too Soon" regarding publishing dates and history we can assume that this is more or less a revised edition that was used in "TFotR." Again I've spent far to long trying to find a point when they truely became seperate enities but either as he worked on the "Trilogy", or when he was working on "Adventures" what I suspect to be one poem published in 1923 was revised so much that it became two at some point between 23' and 62'. One thing is for certain this particular piece came to public eye in 1954 with the pulishing of TFotR.
So did anyone compare the two versions from "Adventures" and "TFotR". Don't panic they are identical.
But from the TFoR Bilbo is given in more credit for this work with: "Then in desperation he began a ridiculous song that Bilbo had been rather fond of (and indeed rather proud of, for he made up the words himself.)"
I think I enjoy this one more than "Down too Soon" for a couple of reasons.
1. It displays a more magical world where dogs laugh at jokes, and cats play fiddles.
2. The people in this poem seem much more helpful and welcoming to the Man in the Moon than in the first one. In "Down too Soon" seems the poor Man in the Moon was almost disdaned as a begger, and for some reason it doesn't cause me to dislike the poem so much as I feel sorry for the Lunar visitor.
Must have been quite the show in the Pony that night to hear Frodo spin this yarn!
If any one can locate a definitive date for this version please post it, or contact me so I can follow up on it.
Namárië,
Iarwain
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Message 2 of 6 in Discussion From: MSN Nicknamefallohide
Sent: 9/13/2002 6:38 PM
Iarwain,
I really like this poem, its so funny and happy. Thanks for posting that history. It is nice to find out that Tolkien was happy when he wrote this. I always have that picture of Frodo atop a table at the prancing pony when I read this, but I'm glad it is published here as well, because it really goes along with the other poem. I agree that "came down to soon" is sad. Particularly because the Man in the moon was lonely in the poem, even though the moon was beutiful. Just an aside, Tolkien did some drawings of a lunar house, which seem to correspond to the Man's house in "came down too soon." Though, I believe they were drawn for "Roverdam."
I also like "Stayed Up too late" because it sound like it could be sung, its like a real song. Also, I always liked the nursury rhyme as a kid (I liked violins and cats) and it was great to find the "difinitive version" of the night's events in the Fellowship when I was a little older. Fallohide
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Sent: 9/15/2002 5:23 PM
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Message 4 of 6 in Discussion From: Stormrider
Sent: 9/15/2002 5:37 PM
I always enjoyed Hey Diddle Diddle as a child. However, "Stayed Up Too Late" is a drinking version of that old nursery rhyme and it is pretty humorous! You can picture all of the drinking buddies getting drunker as the night goes on. I remember reading it in FOTR and thinking it was a take-off of the old nursery rhyme and laughing at the new version of it!
In "Came Down Too Soon" it seems that his adventure is not so much fun...he is lonely and has nothing to do....he wanted the things on earth for his own enjoyment. He was wishing so much for this adventure that he fell into the bay and had to be pulled out by fishermen. In the morning, the streets were vacant and nothing exciting was going on. The cook let him in to the inn but instead of getting the meal he wanted he gets cold two day old porridge.
The Man in the Moon had much more fun in "Stayed Up Too Late!" to my way of thinking!
Stormrider
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Message 5 of 6 in Discussion From: DaleAnn
Sent: 9/19/2002 10:55 AM
Glorfindle told me to put this riddle here. I don't know why. I'm also giving the answer...so don't scroll down til you are out of guesses.
You found bones on the Moon --- What does that mean?
....
....
....
...
...
...
The cow didn't make it. --- DA
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Message 6 of 6 in Discussion From: MSN NicknameIarwainBen-adar1
Sent: 9/19/2002 11:48 PM
I didn't moooove fast enough. Perhaps it was cowardly. I think I've udderly trashed this joke now DA, but I ROTF when I saw it.
Namárië,
Iarwain