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Post by Stormrider on Jan 19, 2009 13:39:54 GMT -6
From: Stormridr (Original Message) Sent: 6/1/2003 10:07 PM Faramir and Éowyn Copyright Ted Nasmith and Harper Collins. All rights Reserved Faramir is struck by Éowyn's loveliness and grief and is moved with deep pity and tenderness. She sees this tenderness in his eyes yet realizes that no Rider of the Mark would out match him in battle. This is the first time she has met Faramir--is she a good judge of character? How can she tell this? What is it about Éowyn's loveliness and grief that attracts Faramir? Is it only pity that he feels for her or is there more to it than that? How are Faramir and Éowyn similar or different in their natures and attitudes? Why does Éowyn look for death in battle rather than healing? Faramir admits to Éowyn that he finds her beautiful and sorrowful yet he requests that she walk with him in the Garden to ease his heart while the Sun yet shines. Does Faramir's impression of her and request that she spend time with him seem to surprise Éowyn? Is Faramir interested in her? Is Éowyn interested in Faramir? If so, in what ways are they interested? Faramir makes a comment that they "both passed under the wings of the Shadow but Éowyn answers with: "Alas, not me, lord! Shadow lies on me still. Look not to me for healing! I am a shield maiden and my hand is ungentle." ? If so, is she trying to dissuade him or is she unaware of this? What healing does Éowyn still require? (Also See: The Healing of Éowyn discussion question)
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Post by Stormrider on Jan 19, 2009 13:41:37 GMT -6
From: Desi-Baggins Sent: 6/3/2003 9:32 AM I think Eowyn is a good judge of character, Faramir is a great warrior. I think that both Eowyn and Faramir are strong, I think that is what Faramir likes about her. Eowyn's life must have become hard when Wormtongue was controling Theoden. She saw and felt so much pain during that time and all she wanted to do was escape it or let go some of her frustrations. She felt the way to do this was how the men did it in battle. In today's time this would not be so unusual but at that time it was. Then when she sees Aragorn she thinks she can escape it all through a man's love, but she is turned down. "...I am a shield maiden and my hand is ungentle." When she say this it is almost like she thinks because she is tough is why Aragorn didn't like her the way she wanted him to, but little does she know that that is why Faramir does. * * * From: LindaS Sent: 6/6/2003 3:17 PM There is an interesting contrast between the relationship of Aragorn and Arwen to that of Eowyn and Faramir. Arwen and Aragorn's future together depends entirely on Aragorn's actions and decisions. He must claim the kingship and secure peace for middle earth. Arwen can contribute very little to his endeavor, other than offer support. In contrast, a future for Faramir and Eowyn depends on Eowyn - she is the one who must take action and make a decision about the future. And she chooses both Faramir and Faramir's vision of the future - a world where healing becomes more important than fighting. Linda * * * From: galenas Sent: 6/7/2003 8:56 PM What great questions!
I think some of what attracts Faramir to Eowyn is the part of her that he can relate to....that sadness. Has he not always been under the shadow of his older brother? Is nothing he does good enough for his father? Eowyn is likewise overlooked, but for different reasons. I believe they are both warriors and desire that for which they are born. I believe that Faramir sees this in Eowyn.
I believe that Eowyn sees the same in Faramir, but is conflicted and carries the burden of a thousand seeds of lies planted by Grima. Galenas * * * From: CamelliaD Sent: 6/27/2003 7:42 PM Storm, Desi, Linda & Galenas, I enjoyed all your comments and insights here and feel I have to thank you all. I mentioned before that 30 yrs ago, the first time I read ROTK, I distrusted Eowyn when I saw her attraction to Aragorn. Instead of a potboiler triangle, I met one of my favorite characters of all time. Faramir is the only one worthy of winning her affection because he is so aware of her qualities and her pain. He had tried in vain to win his father's approval & never had his gifts recognized, she thought that Aragorn was her only chance for fulfillment & chose to end her life in battle. (..and wasn't she magnificant?) Thanks again for so many excellent views. Love you all, Camellia Danderfluff * * * From: Illadria Sent: 7/12/2003 2:09 PM Even though Faramir was gentle, he was also commanding and could be dangerous. This was the first impression I had of him. (I remember thinking how commanding and masterful he seemed, and yet, it was always made clear that he was much less so than Boromir. Boromir must've been incredible in his own element!!!) Éowyn could tell this about him by the way he carried himself...his attitude, his self assuredness...but surely everyone could tell it. I think Faramir was genuinely attracted to Éowyn. Remember he had a great gift for seeing people's hearts. Plus I think the poet in him was drawn to her angst. Faramir and Éowyn are both sort of second bananas, and neither is happy with their lot in life. Faramir would rather be a scholar than a warrior, and I think Éowyn just felt like she had no purpose in life. That's also why she sought death in battle rather than healing. To die in battle would've brought her life glory and meaning. And she was not so foolish as to try to die vainly. It wasn't a suicide mission. She struck at that part of the enemy which was causing the most trouble. Éowyn is surprised that a man like Faramir would show an interest in her. After all Aragorn was apparently drawn to that lady-like type with soft hands. So she tells him right away..."Leave me alone...don't toy with me...go get yourself one of those soft ladies." She's still depressed and very fragile, and not in the mood to offer herself to another man, only to be let down. ~Illy
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