Post by Stormrider on Jan 21, 2009 6:50:16 GMT -6
From: Lord_Algamesh (Original Message) Sent: 10/28/2002 8:46 AM
Ah! Fangorn Forest! Tolkien goes into great detail describing this corner of Middle-earth. Not only does he present it in a "third-person" perspective, he relies on descriptions and dialogues of two Hobbits to reveal the characteristics of Fangorn. Early on, during my reading, I discovered that Fangorn isn't to be dreaded at all. Tolkien sets us up when Merry and Pippin discover the rejuvenating powers of ingesting the waters that flow through the Forest. Pippin's comparison to the Old Took's room also indicated that the forest was benign somehow. How is Tolkien preparing us to meet the Ents by his description of the forest? How do the Ents reflect the forest and vice-versa? Any general comments about Fangorn may be placed here as well!
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From: LovesBeren Sent: 11/18/2002 11:44 PM
Ah! Fangorn Forest! Any general comments about Fangorn may be placed here as well! Third person – Warned against Fanghorn, forest Old beyond guessing. Early on, during my reading, I discovered that Fangorn isn't to be dreaded at all.
A comparison between this and Mirkwood, but it they could tell it wasn’t evil. “I almost felt I liked the place.”
Tolkien goes into great detail describing this corner of Middle-earth. Not only does he present it in a "third-person" perspective, he relies on descriptions and dialogues of two Hobbits to reveal the characteristics of Fangorn.
They are like little elf children (refers to the both the age of the forest -- you don't see elf children in LotR and The Hobbit -- and the enormity of the forest), as they enter the caverness dimly lit forest. Dawn
Tolkien sets us up when Merry and Pippin discover the rejuvenating powers of ingesting the waters that flow through the Forest.
Water was clear and cold and refreshing. It seemed to cheer their hearts. They were too eager to be surprised at the remarkeable way in which the cuts and sores of the captivity had healed their vigour had returned. -- Again early we see that there is good in the forest... later the daughts certainly show the vigor that is possible here.
Pippin's comparison to the Old Took's room also indicated that the forest was benign somehow. How is Tolkien preparing us to meet the Ents by his description of the forest? How do the Ents reflect the forest and vice-versa?
A queer stifling feeling came over them, as if the air were to then or too scanty for breathing. There is an old feeling to the wood. The forest has never changed or moved for generations. It is stagnant. Treebeard perhaps has become older and shabbier along with the feeling of the forest and seems the Ents have been much too complacent and treeish. Could the absence of the Entwives made this easier... men hate it when we "nag" but often need it to get them started on those "honey-dos" that make a house a home. The metaphor/simile definitely works about the house grew old along with him... Like it it paints a clear picture in my mind... we all have those "old folks" that passed away and had to go through their stuffy homes.
This "treeish state" of the forest from avoiding hastiness has evolved into utter laziness. The Hobbits role here is to come to wake up the forest. This is obviously needed since not even Suraman’s cutting down of the trees near Isengard has not even ushered in any defensive measure, let alone an offensive attack. Treebeard says that he had been unhasty for too long... Tolkien's message - It's okay to think hard before you take action... but don't linger so long that you're too late...
Luthien (Sarah)
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From: LovesBeren Sent: 11/18/2002 11:52 PM
Treebeard says that he had been hasty for too long -- not unhasty
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From: patty Sent: 12/9/2002 1:28 PM
The Ents are interesting creatures. Their character makes you like them from the beginning. They do not appear to be overbearing or controlling, yet they are much more powerful than you first realize. They are friendly to Merry And Pippin and treat them with much kindness. Yet they are not creatures that it would be wise to cross. They are powerful, silent, and reclusive. They can take care of themselves and anyone they befriend. The Ents and Treebeard atr truly interesting characters.
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From: Nosmada Sent: 12/10/2002 2:17 PM
Pippin's comparison of Fangorn to the old Took's room and the forest seeming to be benign somehow, just shows you how very old the forest is. Its almost as if it has been there so long that it has just grown as much as its going to and will not grow anymore. This also seems to be a comparison to the declining state of the Ents during the third age because Treebeard says that many of the Ents have become "tree-ish" meaning that they no longer move or speak much.
Ah! Fangorn Forest! Tolkien goes into great detail describing this corner of Middle-earth. Not only does he present it in a "third-person" perspective, he relies on descriptions and dialogues of two Hobbits to reveal the characteristics of Fangorn. Early on, during my reading, I discovered that Fangorn isn't to be dreaded at all. Tolkien sets us up when Merry and Pippin discover the rejuvenating powers of ingesting the waters that flow through the Forest. Pippin's comparison to the Old Took's room also indicated that the forest was benign somehow. How is Tolkien preparing us to meet the Ents by his description of the forest? How do the Ents reflect the forest and vice-versa? Any general comments about Fangorn may be placed here as well!
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From: LovesBeren Sent: 11/18/2002 11:44 PM
Ah! Fangorn Forest! Any general comments about Fangorn may be placed here as well! Third person – Warned against Fanghorn, forest Old beyond guessing. Early on, during my reading, I discovered that Fangorn isn't to be dreaded at all.
A comparison between this and Mirkwood, but it they could tell it wasn’t evil. “I almost felt I liked the place.”
Tolkien goes into great detail describing this corner of Middle-earth. Not only does he present it in a "third-person" perspective, he relies on descriptions and dialogues of two Hobbits to reveal the characteristics of Fangorn.
They are like little elf children (refers to the both the age of the forest -- you don't see elf children in LotR and The Hobbit -- and the enormity of the forest), as they enter the caverness dimly lit forest. Dawn
Tolkien sets us up when Merry and Pippin discover the rejuvenating powers of ingesting the waters that flow through the Forest.
Water was clear and cold and refreshing. It seemed to cheer their hearts. They were too eager to be surprised at the remarkeable way in which the cuts and sores of the captivity had healed their vigour had returned. -- Again early we see that there is good in the forest... later the daughts certainly show the vigor that is possible here.
Pippin's comparison to the Old Took's room also indicated that the forest was benign somehow. How is Tolkien preparing us to meet the Ents by his description of the forest? How do the Ents reflect the forest and vice-versa?
A queer stifling feeling came over them, as if the air were to then or too scanty for breathing. There is an old feeling to the wood. The forest has never changed or moved for generations. It is stagnant. Treebeard perhaps has become older and shabbier along with the feeling of the forest and seems the Ents have been much too complacent and treeish. Could the absence of the Entwives made this easier... men hate it when we "nag" but often need it to get them started on those "honey-dos" that make a house a home. The metaphor/simile definitely works about the house grew old along with him... Like it it paints a clear picture in my mind... we all have those "old folks" that passed away and had to go through their stuffy homes.
This "treeish state" of the forest from avoiding hastiness has evolved into utter laziness. The Hobbits role here is to come to wake up the forest. This is obviously needed since not even Suraman’s cutting down of the trees near Isengard has not even ushered in any defensive measure, let alone an offensive attack. Treebeard says that he had been unhasty for too long... Tolkien's message - It's okay to think hard before you take action... but don't linger so long that you're too late...
Luthien (Sarah)
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From: LovesBeren Sent: 11/18/2002 11:52 PM
Treebeard says that he had been hasty for too long -- not unhasty
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From: patty Sent: 12/9/2002 1:28 PM
The Ents are interesting creatures. Their character makes you like them from the beginning. They do not appear to be overbearing or controlling, yet they are much more powerful than you first realize. They are friendly to Merry And Pippin and treat them with much kindness. Yet they are not creatures that it would be wise to cross. They are powerful, silent, and reclusive. They can take care of themselves and anyone they befriend. The Ents and Treebeard atr truly interesting characters.
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From: Nosmada Sent: 12/10/2002 2:17 PM
Pippin's comparison of Fangorn to the old Took's room and the forest seeming to be benign somehow, just shows you how very old the forest is. Its almost as if it has been there so long that it has just grown as much as its going to and will not grow anymore. This also seems to be a comparison to the declining state of the Ents during the third age because Treebeard says that many of the Ents have become "tree-ish" meaning that they no longer move or speak much.