Post by Andorinha on Jan 17, 2009 0:13:29 GMT -6
The Sil ARCHIVE: Bilbo the Translator of the Silmarillion?
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From: DeadChickenMan
Sent: 4/25/2002 9:00 PM
Sorry guys to but in... but once again I'm wondering if I have read this right. Again from the prologue to LOTR...
Speaking of the copies made of the Red Book of Westmarch (Bilbo and Frodo's 'There and Back Again') we read: But the chief importance of Fendegil's copy is that it alone contains the whole of Bilbo's 'Translations from the Elvish'. These three volumes were found to be a work of great skill and learning in which, between 1403 and 1418, he had used all the sources available to him in Rivendell, both living and written. But since they were little used by Frodo, being almost entirely concerned with the Eldar Days, no more is said of them here.
Does this mean that our hero Bilbo is the person... er hobbit... that we have to thank for the Silmarillion. Is it he that compiles the history of the Elves into one volume and translates it into the western or common language?
I'm hoping that someone with a more extensive library than mine may be able to shed some light (this time I'm yanking your chain DaleAnn).
DCM
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From: DaleAnn
Sent: 4/26/2002 7:50 AM
Well, DCM, I thought about dazzling you with some brilliance, but instead I'll give you this. www.tolkienonline.de/etep/Tolkien/C/Chroniclers.html There you will not only find what Bilbo translated, but also, who were the actual "writers" of Tolkien's works.
Another site, in French poorly translated, gave Elrond the "authorship" of "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age. I lost the URL for that one for the moment, so I don't know where they got the info from. I'll go find it later for you.
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From: DaleAnn
Sent: 4/26/2002 10:33 AM
Here is that french site: translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.jrrvf.com/~pengolodh/&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPengolodh%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
While I was at it found this, too!
gofree.indigo.ie/~warrenl/Tolkien/History/History.html
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From: DeadChickenMan
Sent: 4/28/2002 3:42 PM
DaleAnn:
Thank you for two incredible sites (I haven't yet had a chance to get to the third). Ok, I now feel like a novice again. There is so much more here than I ever knew. People laugh at me when I recount the history of Star Trek or get the little references in the new Star Wars movies, they would die if they knew how far this went.
I've got a lot of catching up to do. Thanks Again.
DCM
PS. I'll probably come back to this thread when I've got all of it sorted out in my head.
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From: DeadChickenMan
Sent: 4/25/2002 9:00 PM
Sorry guys to but in... but once again I'm wondering if I have read this right. Again from the prologue to LOTR...
Speaking of the copies made of the Red Book of Westmarch (Bilbo and Frodo's 'There and Back Again') we read: But the chief importance of Fendegil's copy is that it alone contains the whole of Bilbo's 'Translations from the Elvish'. These three volumes were found to be a work of great skill and learning in which, between 1403 and 1418, he had used all the sources available to him in Rivendell, both living and written. But since they were little used by Frodo, being almost entirely concerned with the Eldar Days, no more is said of them here.
Does this mean that our hero Bilbo is the person... er hobbit... that we have to thank for the Silmarillion. Is it he that compiles the history of the Elves into one volume and translates it into the western or common language?
I'm hoping that someone with a more extensive library than mine may be able to shed some light (this time I'm yanking your chain DaleAnn).
DCM
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From: DaleAnn
Sent: 4/26/2002 7:50 AM
Well, DCM, I thought about dazzling you with some brilliance, but instead I'll give you this. www.tolkienonline.de/etep/Tolkien/C/Chroniclers.html There you will not only find what Bilbo translated, but also, who were the actual "writers" of Tolkien's works.
Another site, in French poorly translated, gave Elrond the "authorship" of "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age. I lost the URL for that one for the moment, so I don't know where they got the info from. I'll go find it later for you.
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From: DaleAnn
Sent: 4/26/2002 10:33 AM
Here is that french site: translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.jrrvf.com/~pengolodh/&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPengolodh%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
While I was at it found this, too!
gofree.indigo.ie/~warrenl/Tolkien/History/History.html
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From: DeadChickenMan
Sent: 4/28/2002 3:42 PM
DaleAnn:
Thank you for two incredible sites (I haven't yet had a chance to get to the third). Ok, I now feel like a novice again. There is so much more here than I ever knew. People laugh at me when I recount the history of Star Trek or get the little references in the new Star Wars movies, they would die if they knew how far this went.
I've got a lot of catching up to do. Thanks Again.
DCM
PS. I'll probably come back to this thread when I've got all of it sorted out in my head.