Post by Andorinha on Jan 18, 2009 11:21:39 GMT -6
Turin / Doriath's Ruin Assignment?
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From: MSN NicknameLord_Algamesh
Sent: 6/1/2002 11:08 PM
Guys,
Isn't this an active week for the Silmarillion study? As I recall we issued a week's break last week and as of Monday, June 3rd, we should be ready to discuss the events surrounding Turin and the destruction of Thingol's realm. Am I correct in this?
If this is correct, we should see much discussion forthcoming. In chapter 21, we have Turin Turambar who is possibly the most complex character that Tolkien ever developed. It is no easy matter to understand Turin, his motivations, and the fate that follows him. Chapter 22 contains the violent demise of Doriath. This realm has continually been a thorn in Morgoth's side and has, up to this point, been arguably the most powerful and protected kingdom in the East. How could a Maia protected land fall? Can't wait to dissect these two chapters with you guys.
Algamesh
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From: Zauber
Sent: 6/3/2002 7:09 AM
Poor Turin is such a tortured soul. Morgoth/Melkor, working through Glaurung the dragon, certainly did a number on him! Turin reminds me the most of all Tolkien's characters of a truly "northern" berzerker. He runs here and kills someone, runs there and kills someone else, as if he is under a complusion, driven by more than just pride and rage. This seems to me a very dark chapter, perhaps the darkest of the Silmarillion, as Turin brings ruin not just to himself but those he loves, those who are closest to him.
Turin moves fast, but seems to be guided by the wrong choice, and heads in the wrong direction, so he is just missing the person he is seeking. I think of Aragorn's decision to follow after the Orcs and Merry and Pippin, and how fast he and Legolas and Gimli moved. That was a journey that could have ended in sorrow, and been for effect for naught, but Aragorn had a healthy impulse, and made the 'right' decision, and although he didn't attain the goal he set out to do (rescue the Hobbits), his intution took him to the right place to be of use for many other happening.
Turin seems warped, unable to make good decisions, sort of anxious and panic stricken. Very sad.
Zauber
Zaube
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From: sparrow
Sent: 6/3/2002 8:13 AM
The story of Turin seems to be the saddest so far. His life seems to jump from love triangles/unrequited love to rash killing of a beloved friend by mistake to violent loss of a loved one to another of these. Overshadowing his entire life is Morgoth/Melkor's malice. Turin did seem to always make the wrong decision, and I felt sorry for him becuase he was doomed from a very young age.
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From: megn1
Sent: 6/5/2002 5:09 AM
Algamesh,
Thanks for creating this thread - I'm sorry I didn't get question threads posted this week.
I've tried to keep the naming of the discussion threads consistent, so that someone who is trying to get caught up in the reading will be able to easily tell where they are. Too late I have realized that I should have used chapter numbers, instead of week numbers, to make it even easier to track (any way of changing that??)
So I have started "week-seven" threads. I copied the posts here, and pasted them to that thread. Hopefully that's all right with the managers...
Megn1
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From: MSN NicknameLord_Algamesh
Sent: 6/1/2002 11:08 PM
Guys,
Isn't this an active week for the Silmarillion study? As I recall we issued a week's break last week and as of Monday, June 3rd, we should be ready to discuss the events surrounding Turin and the destruction of Thingol's realm. Am I correct in this?
If this is correct, we should see much discussion forthcoming. In chapter 21, we have Turin Turambar who is possibly the most complex character that Tolkien ever developed. It is no easy matter to understand Turin, his motivations, and the fate that follows him. Chapter 22 contains the violent demise of Doriath. This realm has continually been a thorn in Morgoth's side and has, up to this point, been arguably the most powerful and protected kingdom in the East. How could a Maia protected land fall? Can't wait to dissect these two chapters with you guys.
Algamesh
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From: Zauber
Sent: 6/3/2002 7:09 AM
Poor Turin is such a tortured soul. Morgoth/Melkor, working through Glaurung the dragon, certainly did a number on him! Turin reminds me the most of all Tolkien's characters of a truly "northern" berzerker. He runs here and kills someone, runs there and kills someone else, as if he is under a complusion, driven by more than just pride and rage. This seems to me a very dark chapter, perhaps the darkest of the Silmarillion, as Turin brings ruin not just to himself but those he loves, those who are closest to him.
Turin moves fast, but seems to be guided by the wrong choice, and heads in the wrong direction, so he is just missing the person he is seeking. I think of Aragorn's decision to follow after the Orcs and Merry and Pippin, and how fast he and Legolas and Gimli moved. That was a journey that could have ended in sorrow, and been for effect for naught, but Aragorn had a healthy impulse, and made the 'right' decision, and although he didn't attain the goal he set out to do (rescue the Hobbits), his intution took him to the right place to be of use for many other happening.
Turin seems warped, unable to make good decisions, sort of anxious and panic stricken. Very sad.
Zauber
Zaube
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From: sparrow
Sent: 6/3/2002 8:13 AM
The story of Turin seems to be the saddest so far. His life seems to jump from love triangles/unrequited love to rash killing of a beloved friend by mistake to violent loss of a loved one to another of these. Overshadowing his entire life is Morgoth/Melkor's malice. Turin did seem to always make the wrong decision, and I felt sorry for him becuase he was doomed from a very young age.
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From: megn1
Sent: 6/5/2002 5:09 AM
Algamesh,
Thanks for creating this thread - I'm sorry I didn't get question threads posted this week.
I've tried to keep the naming of the discussion threads consistent, so that someone who is trying to get caught up in the reading will be able to easily tell where they are. Too late I have realized that I should have used chapter numbers, instead of week numbers, to make it even easier to track (any way of changing that??)
So I have started "week-seven" threads. I copied the posts here, and pasted them to that thread. Hopefully that's all right with the managers...
Megn1