Post by MajahTR on Jan 20, 2009 7:28:06 GMT -6
In the first section of this chapter when Bilbo is talking with the rest of the Hobbits, he makes another comment about "Time in Fairie". He says "I can't count days in Rivendell." In the same conversation, Sam makes a curious comment about the ending of the new "story". He says, "And where will they live? That's what I often wonder." Is this idle conversation or is Tolkien asking us to pay attention? I will mention something here. Sam, the servant, becomes the master --as the Mayor and owner of Bag End.
When Elrond forms the fellowship, he has grave doubts about the addition of Merry and especially Pippen. Elrond gives in to Gandalf rather easily. Gandalf is usually the moral mouthpiece in the story. In this instance, he says the power of loyal friendship is stronger than physical 'power'.
Frodo spends time with Bilbo on the last day and receives Sting and the mithril mail. Apparently, Bilbo often looked at the sword because the blade was "well-tended". Later we find out that the mithril was worth a fortune. Bilbo shows the emotions we did not see when he left the birthday party. He was too intent on his joke and his own new adventure at the time. We finally get to see Bilbo as a father figure to Frodo.
Narsil and Frodo's first sword were broken. Aragorn has Narsil reforged and this new sword, though still an heirloom is now called Anduril. Frodo receives Sting, an heirloom from his ancestor. Anduril shines red in the sun and Sting glows blue in the dark (when Orcs are near).
Bilbo's Song deserves mentioning. It is a song of growing old and passing on. The old must give way to the new.
When Boromir sounds his horn he says "But always I have let my horn cry at setting forth, and though thereafter we may walk in the shadows, I will not go forth as a thief in the night." Remember this statement when Boromir blows his horn in the beginning of TTT. He does not go forth as a thief in the night (death).
Watch the wind. The direction (East-Evil or West-Good) that it comes from is important. At the beginning of their journey it already blows from the East.
When the fellowship comes close to the mountains, Gimli recites "Dark is the water of Kheled-zaram, and cold are the springs of Kibil-nala." Later Galadriel repeats these words and more at their first meeting.
Though it was Aragorn and Gandalf who led them up the mountain, Boromir was the decision maker (through suggestions) while they were on it. I never noticed that before. Without him, the fellowship would have died there.
The fellowship wonders if it is the Caradhras itself or Sauron that is controlling the snow. All we know for absolute certainty is that it was an unnatural blizzard. Any thoughts?
DA
"The fellowship wonders if it is the Caradhras itself or Sauron that is controlling the snow. All we know for absolute certainty is that it was an unnatural blizzard. Any thoughts?"
I tend to think it's the mountain. If trees can be thinking creatures, why not mountains? From what Gimli says, Caradhras seems to have a history of not liking people!
Diana
Is the storm over the Redhorn Pass an unnatural one?
The Pass is high and it's winter-time. Severe weather should be expected.
I know what winter storms can be like in the small mountains and hills of my homeland and how quickly and unexpectedly the weather can change. They can be frightening enough without assuming that the "fell voices on the wind" are anything other than the wind howling among the peaks.
The belief of the Fellowship that the storm was deliberately generated to kill them or to prevent their passage of the mountains may say more about their state of mind than about the reality of their situation
Selmo.
But remember what they discover when they get out of the snow. It seems that it only snowed on them. The snow didn't taper off, but ended in a wall. That certainly seems suspicious. That was the evidence that convinced them.
Megn1
> Is the storm over the Redhorn Pass an unnatural one? The Pass is high
> and it's winter-time. Severe weather should be expected.
True, Selmo. But that storm seemed to follow them and was above Aragorn's
height only for a few feet. Then the snow was normal again. That's just too
weird!
Diana
Well, there could be a number of reasons why the blizzard seems to dog the Fellowship in a rather unnatural fashion. Peter Jackson interpreted it as Sauraman's doing and who's to say it isn't? To me, it seems to be a malicious force attempting to hinder them, wherever it's origins lie.
Simon
I still believe that the storm was natural.
Gimli blamed the mountain. Legolas asked whether Sauron was the cause and Gandalf replied "His arm has grown long."
Others believed that Saruman caused the storm. The hobbis didn't know what to believe.
Each one of ther Fellowship revealed his own feeelings, interpreting a natural storm in his own way.
Selmo.
Sorry for the typos.
I've drunk too much wine this lunch-time.
When Elrond forms the fellowship, he has grave doubts about the addition of Merry and especially Pippen. Elrond gives in to Gandalf rather easily. Gandalf is usually the moral mouthpiece in the story. In this instance, he says the power of loyal friendship is stronger than physical 'power'.
Frodo spends time with Bilbo on the last day and receives Sting and the mithril mail. Apparently, Bilbo often looked at the sword because the blade was "well-tended". Later we find out that the mithril was worth a fortune. Bilbo shows the emotions we did not see when he left the birthday party. He was too intent on his joke and his own new adventure at the time. We finally get to see Bilbo as a father figure to Frodo.
Narsil and Frodo's first sword were broken. Aragorn has Narsil reforged and this new sword, though still an heirloom is now called Anduril. Frodo receives Sting, an heirloom from his ancestor. Anduril shines red in the sun and Sting glows blue in the dark (when Orcs are near).
Bilbo's Song deserves mentioning. It is a song of growing old and passing on. The old must give way to the new.
When Boromir sounds his horn he says "But always I have let my horn cry at setting forth, and though thereafter we may walk in the shadows, I will not go forth as a thief in the night." Remember this statement when Boromir blows his horn in the beginning of TTT. He does not go forth as a thief in the night (death).
Watch the wind. The direction (East-Evil or West-Good) that it comes from is important. At the beginning of their journey it already blows from the East.
When the fellowship comes close to the mountains, Gimli recites "Dark is the water of Kheled-zaram, and cold are the springs of Kibil-nala." Later Galadriel repeats these words and more at their first meeting.
Though it was Aragorn and Gandalf who led them up the mountain, Boromir was the decision maker (through suggestions) while they were on it. I never noticed that before. Without him, the fellowship would have died there.
The fellowship wonders if it is the Caradhras itself or Sauron that is controlling the snow. All we know for absolute certainty is that it was an unnatural blizzard. Any thoughts?
DA
"The fellowship wonders if it is the Caradhras itself or Sauron that is controlling the snow. All we know for absolute certainty is that it was an unnatural blizzard. Any thoughts?"
I tend to think it's the mountain. If trees can be thinking creatures, why not mountains? From what Gimli says, Caradhras seems to have a history of not liking people!
Diana
Is the storm over the Redhorn Pass an unnatural one?
The Pass is high and it's winter-time. Severe weather should be expected.
I know what winter storms can be like in the small mountains and hills of my homeland and how quickly and unexpectedly the weather can change. They can be frightening enough without assuming that the "fell voices on the wind" are anything other than the wind howling among the peaks.
The belief of the Fellowship that the storm was deliberately generated to kill them or to prevent their passage of the mountains may say more about their state of mind than about the reality of their situation
Selmo.
But remember what they discover when they get out of the snow. It seems that it only snowed on them. The snow didn't taper off, but ended in a wall. That certainly seems suspicious. That was the evidence that convinced them.
Megn1
> Is the storm over the Redhorn Pass an unnatural one? The Pass is high
> and it's winter-time. Severe weather should be expected.
True, Selmo. But that storm seemed to follow them and was above Aragorn's
height only for a few feet. Then the snow was normal again. That's just too
weird!
Diana
Well, there could be a number of reasons why the blizzard seems to dog the Fellowship in a rather unnatural fashion. Peter Jackson interpreted it as Sauraman's doing and who's to say it isn't? To me, it seems to be a malicious force attempting to hinder them, wherever it's origins lie.
Simon
I still believe that the storm was natural.
Gimli blamed the mountain. Legolas asked whether Sauron was the cause and Gandalf replied "His arm has grown long."
Others believed that Saruman caused the storm. The hobbis didn't know what to believe.
Each one of ther Fellowship revealed his own feeelings, interpreting a natural storm in his own way.
Selmo.
Sorry for the typos.
I've drunk too much wine this lunch-time.
