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Magpie
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Sil studies from other sites Jan 13, 2005 12:25:24 GMT -6

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Magpie
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Sil studies from other sites Jan 13, 2005 12:26:30 GMT -6

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Post by Magpie on Jan 13, 2005 12:26:30 GMT -6

Regarding the two Sil Studies

One is Dale Ann's "Reading Tolkien's Middle-earth" (RTME) forum. She combined chapters from the Sil with sections of Unfinished Tales. Some of us at this site participated in that study but we never finished it.

The other is at a forum called Talking Tolkien (TT). This was a pretty active, (IMO) very intelligent group of people. This forum is still up, but not active in the Tolkien section. In fact, the Sil study doesn't even show up on their boards any more. I just had the URL so I can access it at their server. The owner was going to delete the threads in September of 2003 but she hasn't done it yet. I would expect the possibility that these threads could disappear at any time. For my own use, I captured these threads. To do that, one does file -> save as. If you save as Web Page, complete - you save all the images on the site. For these kinds of pages that usually means smilies, site logos, navigation buttons, etc. I don't find these useful and they are just more stuff to have in my folders, so I choose Web Page, html only. Be sure to go to your harddrive and check the save page to make sure it's been saved in a useful, readable format.

Most of these threads have more than one page. You should check to see how many. If you're saving, you need to save all the pages.

At TT, the most recent post is at the top of the first page. If you want to start at the beginning of a discussion you must find the last page and read up, then go to the next to last page and read up.... till you get to the first page - so I'll link to the last page. These links start with 'electricpenquin'.

At RTME, the most recent post is at the bottom of the last page. To start at the beginning, you go to the first page and read down, then go to the next page and read down... till you get to the last page - so I'll link to the first page. These links have 'ezboard' in the address.

Vanye
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Sil studies from other sites Jan 13, 2005 16:33:49 GMT -6

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Post by Vanye on Jan 13, 2005 16:33:49 GMT -6

Magpie: On 9/15/03 on the RTME site you posted a commentary about the Kinslaying to the effect that you found it to very shocking as did I. A sort of 'elves inhumanity or inelvity to elves' feeling.

Maybe I naively expected too much of the elves as some people nowadays expect too much of athletes, actors, & politicians--no entire race or class can be totallly w/o flawed &/or weak individuals! As a student of history I need to remind my self that mankind is not perfectable. Example: as Marx & Engels first envisioned it Communism sounded like a great idea especiallly the part about how there would be no need for one person or group of persons hold power because every one would do their part w/o the need for a government! Yeah -right! 'Enway igspay yflay!!' CUZ when the time should have come for the government to 'fall away' the people in power weren't about to give it up & what's more they wanted even more--power that is!!! Sound familiar??

Vanye

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on; out from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the road has gone, and I must follow if I can. ...J.R.R. Tolkien

The reading Mother You may have tangible wealth untold caskets of jewels & coffers of GOLD. But...richer than I you can never be for I have a mother who READS to me!

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Sil studies from other sites Jan 14, 2005 8:40:11 GMT -6

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Post by Fanuidhol on Jan 14, 2005 8:40:11 GMT -6

Thank-you, Magpie!!! It must have taken you a long time to put this post together. I admire your dedication, fortitude and willingness. I looked around the sites and saw this link, which is great for me since I'm reading HoMe : www.jrrvf.com/compagnie/effeuille/Correspondance_LotR-Home.html

...um, I am much more lazy.

There are a number of sites that have done chapter by chapter discussions. I did a google search this morning using the terms Silmarillion and "chapter discussions" and came up with pages and pages. I saved these links to my favorites:
entmoot.tolkientrail.com/forumdisplay.php?f=20
www.tolkienonline.com/articles/display.cfm?Item_Type=articles&ID=44&StartNum=101&PageNum=6
forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=51612

And also, there is the Silmarillion study in the archives of Tolkien's Ring.
Thanks,
Fan

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Sil studies from other sites Jan 17, 2005 8:26:07 GMT -6

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Post by Stormrider on Jan 17, 2005 8:26:07 GMT -6

Magpie and Fanuidhol:

Thank you for posting these discussions. I had been a member of DaleAnn's site and had read many of the posts on the Sil Study over there as they were going through it; but was wrapped up in getting TR's new forum up and trying to keep our activity up so I did not post much over there. This will help me as I go through it again this time. Perhaps we will reawaken a few topics over here for all of us to participate in.

I have not delved into the HoME series (which I have managed to collect) yet, except to look for additional information on some of my posts, but I hope Fan's link will be beneficial when I get there.

Thank you both!

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Sil studies from other sites Jan 19, 2005 15:36:46 GMT -6

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Post by MajahTR on Jan 19, 2005 15:36:46 GMT -6

thanks so much for sharing all these with us Magpie. ;D

i have only checked out the first few links since i am only in the fifth chapter but i will use them for reference you can be sure.

i am actually reading it!!!!!!!! yaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy
Majah

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Sil studies from other sites Jan 19, 2005 21:27:19 GMT -6

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Post by Stormrider on Jan 19, 2005 21:27:19 GMT -6

I'm only into the First Chapter of Quenta Silmarillion due to the fact that I am also trying to read The Iliad by Homer which is winning out in my reading time allotment!

OK, tonight when I get off the pc, I will read some more the The Sil!

"You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him!"