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Post by Stormrider on Jan 14, 2009 23:32:34 GMT -6
From: Stormridr (Original Message) Sent: 3/30/2003 6:30 PM Dunharrow by J.R.R. Tolkien was posted at the MSN Site with respect to the Tolkien Estates wishes we will not post it here Théoden tells a tale of Brego and his son Baldor who climbed the Stair of the Hold and came before the Door of the Paths of the Dead: On the threshold sat an old man, aged beyond guess of years; tall and kingly he had been, but now he was withered as an old stone. Indeed for stone they took him, for he moved not, and he said no word, until they sought to pass him by and enter. And then a voice came out of him, as it were out of the ground, and to their amaze it spoke in the western tongue: "The way is shut. It was made by those who are Dead, and the Dead keep it, until the time comes. The way is shut." When Baldor asked when the time would be, the old man died and fell on his face. Very interesting! Because there were only ancient legends about the Paths of the Dead in the history passed down in Rohan, this old man seems to have been the only link to the true story of the Dead Men out of the Dark Years and Isildur's Curse. Had the people of Gondor forgotten Isildur's curse? Was Rohan too far from Gondor to hear tales of this curse from any of the Gondorians? Who was this old man? Who was he intended to warn that the path was shut? How long had he actually been sitting guarding the door before Brego and Baldor found him? Was there hope that during this old man's lifetime "the time would come?" Or was he the last of a great many men who had sat guarding that door?
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Post by Stormrider on Jan 14, 2009 23:33:16 GMT -6
From: Merlin the mad Sent: 4/11/2003 4:28 PM Eorl the Young was the first king in Rohan (d. 2545). His son Brego (d. 2570) died of grief one year after his son Baldor vanished on the Paths of the Dead. Therefore, the old man spoken of was (in my opinion) one of those oath breakers (probably that very "King of the Mountains" at the beginning of the Third Age), who was allowed to retain his body to a vast age and stand as a sentinel to warn off all who would come to grief through ignorance. Once he had transfered his warning to the new ruling house his task was done and he died. Rohan preserved the legend down the centuries till Theoden's generation. He was relating a VERY old story. MtM * * * From: sparrow Sent: 4/16/2003 11:55 AM Had the people of Gondor forgotten Isildur's curse? Was Rohan too far from Gondor to hear tales of this curse from any of the Gondorians? The people of Gondor and of Rohan seemed aware to some degree of the curse, because they all feared the paths of the dead. I am guessing the story was so old that they had forgotten the details.
MTM's theory sounds plausible to me, and I haven't done any research of my own into this, so I don't have any other theory to offer. Has anybody found any references to this in the appendices or in the Histories of ME, etc?
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