Post by Andorinha on Jan 15, 2009 12:12:30 GMT -6
Beowulf ARCHIVE: On the other hand...
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From: CathyL
Sent: 11/7/2002 11:09 AM
www.xenite.org/parma/pe_table.htm see Chapter 7 for a detailed discussion disagreeing with identifying the Rohirrim with the Anglo Saxons. The book is also a free download for Acrobat.
Cathy
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From: Zauber
Sent: 11/8/2002 9:23 AM
This is an interesting article, but I think Martinez goes on and on to make a case that didn't need defending to begin with. I doubt anyone has ever said the Rohirrim ARE Anglo-Saxon. Based upon, yes. This is a vast difference, the difference between a recording historian and a creative imaginative author. Tolkien has said that language is the beginning for him; the whole of Middle Earth grew out of his imaginary languages. I think he took the Anglo-Saxon langauge as a base, using many of its words and word combinations, and then built a new culture from it, a culture with some similarities to what we know of the actual Anglo-Saxons, but differences also.
Either in "Letters of JRRT" or in Carpenter's biography, Tolkien explained the scene where Eomer and his troops encircle Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli. When they first meet, and the Rohirrim ride around the intruders in a circle -- was an image he borrowed from Native American culture. So the Anglo-Saxons were just a jumping off point. I saw an exhibit of artwork and artifacts from the Sythians, and a lot of the objects made me think of the Riders of Rohan.
Martinez seems a bit snide and self-righteous to my reading, but it was good to hear another opinion. Thanks for bringing this to our attention!
A snide and self-righteous herself, Zauber
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From: Storrmrider
Sent: 11/15/2002 3:31 PM
I knew it! There is a thread (about the Rohirrim being a less learned and more pagan people--or something like that) on The Two Towers study where I had made the comment that the Rohirrim reminded me of the Native Americans in their method of attack on the Orcs who had snatched Merry and Pippin.
The Rohirrim rode up and surrounded the Orcs like the Indians would do when attacking shooting arrows from on horseback. Also there is a scene in the book where a couple of Rohirrim sneak up on the Orc camp and kill a couple of Orcs and then sneak back to their patrol line outside the camp. Now if that ain't Cowboy and Indians stuff, then I ain't Stormrider!
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From: CathyL
Sent: 11/22/2002 11:36 AM
My husband has always said that the Rohirrim remind him of the Cherokee, the ultimate Native American horse culture. I hope in TTT we see some good scenes of the Rohirrim on horseback.
Cathy
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From: CathyL
Sent: 11/7/2002 11:09 AM
www.xenite.org/parma/pe_table.htm see Chapter 7 for a detailed discussion disagreeing with identifying the Rohirrim with the Anglo Saxons. The book is also a free download for Acrobat.
Cathy
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From: Zauber
Sent: 11/8/2002 9:23 AM
This is an interesting article, but I think Martinez goes on and on to make a case that didn't need defending to begin with. I doubt anyone has ever said the Rohirrim ARE Anglo-Saxon. Based upon, yes. This is a vast difference, the difference between a recording historian and a creative imaginative author. Tolkien has said that language is the beginning for him; the whole of Middle Earth grew out of his imaginary languages. I think he took the Anglo-Saxon langauge as a base, using many of its words and word combinations, and then built a new culture from it, a culture with some similarities to what we know of the actual Anglo-Saxons, but differences also.
Either in "Letters of JRRT" or in Carpenter's biography, Tolkien explained the scene where Eomer and his troops encircle Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli. When they first meet, and the Rohirrim ride around the intruders in a circle -- was an image he borrowed from Native American culture. So the Anglo-Saxons were just a jumping off point. I saw an exhibit of artwork and artifacts from the Sythians, and a lot of the objects made me think of the Riders of Rohan.
Martinez seems a bit snide and self-righteous to my reading, but it was good to hear another opinion. Thanks for bringing this to our attention!
A snide and self-righteous herself, Zauber
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From: Storrmrider
Sent: 11/15/2002 3:31 PM
I knew it! There is a thread (about the Rohirrim being a less learned and more pagan people--or something like that) on The Two Towers study where I had made the comment that the Rohirrim reminded me of the Native Americans in their method of attack on the Orcs who had snatched Merry and Pippin.
The Rohirrim rode up and surrounded the Orcs like the Indians would do when attacking shooting arrows from on horseback. Also there is a scene in the book where a couple of Rohirrim sneak up on the Orc camp and kill a couple of Orcs and then sneak back to their patrol line outside the camp. Now if that ain't Cowboy and Indians stuff, then I ain't Stormrider!
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From: CathyL
Sent: 11/22/2002 11:36 AM
My husband has always said that the Rohirrim remind him of the Cherokee, the ultimate Native American horse culture. I hope in TTT we see some good scenes of the Rohirrim on horseback.
Cathy