Post by Stormrider on Jan 15, 2009 19:29:51 GMT -6
From: Stormrider (Original Message) Sent: 4/21/2003 12:05 AM
Gandalf makes several comments about the Enemy's Power and how he uses it:
In reference to Gandalf having to chose to go with Pippin to save Faramir and Denethor or go out to the battlefield: "Even in the heart of our stronghold the Enemy has power to strike us: for his will it is that is at work."
After seeing the slain porter at the Closed Door: "Work of the Enemy! Such deeds he loves: friend at war with friend; loyalty divided in confusion of hearts."
When Denethor says to slay the renegade [Beregond] when he kept the servants from entering the Tomb: "What is this, my lord? The houses of the dead are no places for the living. And why do men fight here in the Hallows when there is war enough before the Gate? Or has our Enemy come even to Rath Dínen?"
After Denethor states that there is no hope against the Dark Power and it is better to depart than become a slave: "Such counsels will make the Enemy's victory certain indeed."
Are these instances actually the work of the Dark Lord or just the cause of people under duress acting on their own impulses?
Did Beregond act under the influence of the Dark Power when he went against the servants of Denethor or was this a good impulse on his part to save Faramir?
Sauron from the Rolozo Tolkien Site
Gandalf makes several comments about the Enemy's Power and how he uses it:
In reference to Gandalf having to chose to go with Pippin to save Faramir and Denethor or go out to the battlefield: "Even in the heart of our stronghold the Enemy has power to strike us: for his will it is that is at work."
After seeing the slain porter at the Closed Door: "Work of the Enemy! Such deeds he loves: friend at war with friend; loyalty divided in confusion of hearts."
When Denethor says to slay the renegade [Beregond] when he kept the servants from entering the Tomb: "What is this, my lord? The houses of the dead are no places for the living. And why do men fight here in the Hallows when there is war enough before the Gate? Or has our Enemy come even to Rath Dínen?"
After Denethor states that there is no hope against the Dark Power and it is better to depart than become a slave: "Such counsels will make the Enemy's victory certain indeed."
Are these instances actually the work of the Dark Lord or just the cause of people under duress acting on their own impulses?
Did Beregond act under the influence of the Dark Power when he went against the servants of Denethor or was this a good impulse on his part to save Faramir?